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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'>Hi all, this is my last
post on this issue (sorry for those not interested)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'>I really did not mean to
offend a particular person, and <span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>I
also agree that contributions are appreciated by all persons regardless of
their employment status etc, I am truly not the discriminating type at all. I
certainly am old enough to know better and to hence be more careful what I say
and will be..<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'>I did not mean to offend
Eric, it was not meant to be personal, but rather the idea of recruiting here
was not appreciated by me, but those that have been vocal on this issue appear
to welcome recruitment on this forum and I stand happily corrected.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'>I will however never agree
with the view that “all are equal but some are more equal than others”...
George Orwell said it best.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'>I was flaming a bit and I
did not mean to, sorry again Eric.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'>Best regards to all.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-ansi-language:
EN-US'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-ansi-language:
EN-US'> Skeeve Stevens [mailto:Skeeve@eintellego.net] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 2 September 2010 12:29 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Stephen Carter; Karl Kloppenborg<br>
<b>Cc:</b> ausnog@ausnog.net List; Pinkerton, Eric<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [AusNOG] Where are all the Network / Security Enginees?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Accepted... <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Stephen, we all work together here... and the fact that Telstra,
Optus and other big telco staff are on AUSNOG helps us all.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I have no problems with people posting positions to AUSNOG
– but it isn’t a recruitment mailing list – and needs to be
respected as such so we keep the recruitment to a minimum – but they
should be tolerated far more from ‘regulars’ or contributors that
people joining just to post an advert.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Eric is a good contributor to the list and has earned the right
to post the occasional recruitment advert<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#002060'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>...Skeeve<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#002060'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#002060'>--<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#002060'>Skeeve Stevens, CEO/Technical Director<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#002060'>eintellego Pty Ltd - The Networking Specialists<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#002060'>skeeve@eintellego.net / www.eintellego.net<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#002060'>Phone: 1300 753 383, Fax: (+612) 8572 9954<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#002060'>Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 / skype://skeeve<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#002060'>www.linkedin.com/in/skeeve ; facebook.com/eintellego<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#002060'>--<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#002060'>NOC, NOC, who's there?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif";mso-ansi-language:EN-US'>From:</span></b><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";
mso-ansi-language:EN-US'> ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net
[mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Stephen Carter<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 1 September 2010 4:43 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Karl Kloppenborg<br>
<b>Cc:</b> ausnog@ausnog.net List; Pinkerton, Eric<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Where are all the Network / Security Enginees?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Agreed<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>My apologies for those offended<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif";mso-ansi-language:EN-US'>From:</span></b><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";
mso-ansi-language:EN-US'> Karl Kloppenborg [mailto:karl@karltec.net] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 1 September 2010 4:42 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Stephen Carter<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Phillip Grasso; ausnog@ausnog.net List; Pinkerton, Eric<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Where are all the Network / Security Enginees?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>Off topic I know.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>But...<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Stephen don't you think that is just a bit uncalled for?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Both were just asking for some honest replies, yet you come
in and make a joke of them?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Even though I know I may have cracked a slight joke (let it
be known it was followed by a serious question though) I think you have taken
it too far.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Professional courtesy should be upheld, even by you.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal></rant><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Phillip, on the sydney job.. it states "Or equivalent
experience" what would you say this would be set at?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>five years experience?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black'><br>
Cheers!<br>
Karl Kloppenborg</span></b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>On 01/09/2010, at 16:35, Stephen Carter wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Two words that should be added to the Charter:</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> </span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<div style='margin-left:36.0pt'>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-indent:-18.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D'>·</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt;
color:#1F497D'> <span
class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Professional courtisy</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<div style='margin-left:36.0pt'>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-indent:-18.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D'>·</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt;
color:#1F497D'> <span
class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Ethics</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> </span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>You guys are serious hilarious.</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> </span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>If you run a great company people come to you, you don’t
need to advertise... tip: good place to start<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span></b><b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D'>J</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> </span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Good luck with your search [not being facicious].</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> </span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> </span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> </span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif";mso-ansi-language:EN-US'>From:</span></b><span
class=apple-converted-space><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";mso-ansi-language:EN-US'> </span></span><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";
mso-ansi-language:EN-US'>Phillip Grasso [mailto:phillip.grasso@gmail.com]<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span><br>
<b>Sent:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Wednesday, 1
September 2010 4:30 PM<br>
<b>To:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Stephen Carter<br>
<b>Cc:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Pinkerton, Eric;<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net">ausnog@ausnog.net</a><span
class=apple-converted-space> </span>List<br>
<b>Subject:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Re: [AusNOG]
Where are all the Network / Security Enginees?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>hopefully this is not bad form,
rather then sending starting another thread on this topic for those that are
not interested, instead i'll append to this one. Hopefully you don't mind the
competition for candidates (although I suspect we're after different segment of
candidates).<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><br>
<br>
<a
href="http://www.google.com.au/intl/en/jobs/sydney/engops/opsit/security-engineer-sydney/index.html">http://www.google.com.au/intl/en/jobs/sydney/engops/opsit/security-engineer-sydney/index.html</a><br>
<br>
We're also after<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a
href="http://www.google.com/intl/en/jobs/uslocations/reston/engops/datacenter/network-security-engineer-google-com-reston/index.html">Network
Security engineers</a>, but you'll need to consider working in the US.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 4:08 PM, Stephen Carter <<a
href="mailto:Stephen.Carter@workingtech.com">Stephen.Carter@workingtech.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Agreed<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D'>J</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>PS you are
welcome to send your resume to us if you want then<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D'>J</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-ansi-language:
EN-US'>From:</span></b><span class=apple-converted-space><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-US'> </span></span><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-US'><a
href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a><span
class=apple-converted-space> </span>[mailto:<a
href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>]<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span></b>Pinkerton, Eric<br>
<b>Sent:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Wednesday, 1 September
2010 4:06 PM<br>
<b>To:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Stephen Carter</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>Cc:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a
href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog@ausnog.net</a><span
class=apple-converted-space> </span>List<br>
<b>Subject:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Re: [AusNOG]
Where are all the Network / Security Enginees?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:blue'>I'll take that on
the chin, but for the record, I'm an engineer not a recruiter.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:blue'>The level of
interest off list far outweighs the flames, so I'm happy.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:blue'>PS. If your staff
are happy you have nothing to fear ;-)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-US'>From:</span></b><span
class=apple-converted-space><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
mso-ansi-language:EN-US'> </span></span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:
10.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-US'><a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net"
target="_blank">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a><span
class=apple-converted-space> </span>[mailto:<a
href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>]<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span></b>Stephen Carter<br>
<b>Sent:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Wednesday, 1
September 2010 2:46 PM<br>
<b>To:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Pinkerton, Eric<br>
<b>Cc:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a
href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog@ausnog.net</a><span
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<b>Subject:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Re: [AusNOG]
Where are all the Network / Security Enginees?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Welcome to Seek
/ Telstra</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>We should change
the charter to include exclusive recruitment channel for Telstra</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>How unusual for
Telstra to not care about the rest of the market.<span
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font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D'>J</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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EN-US'>From:</span></b><span class=apple-converted-space><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-US'> </span></span><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-US'><a
href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a><span
class=apple-converted-space> </span>[mailto:<a
href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>]<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span></b>Pinkerton, Eric<br>
<b>Sent:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Wednesday, 1
September 2010 2:30 PM<br>
<b>Cc:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a
href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog@ausnog.net</a><span
class=apple-converted-space> </span>List<br>
<b>Subject:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>[AusNOG] Where
are all the Network / Security Enginees?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:blue'>All,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:blue'>I wouldn't
normally consider this, and hope posting this it isn't poor form (the
charter makes no mention), but having exhausted all the usual
methods we are still struggling to find a Network/Security
Engineer in Sydney CBD with either the right level of experience, or
the enthusiasm and aptitude to make up for it.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:blue'>So if you know
anyone who fit's the bill, and might be interested feel free to contact me off
list or view the JD here -<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a
href="http://www.seek.com.au/job/network-security-b-engineer-b/sydney/18023781/97/1/"
target="_blank" title="New window will open"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>http://www.seek.com.au/job/network-security-b-engineer-b/sydney/18023781/97/1/</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:blue'>We are willing to
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:blue'>Eric</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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