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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Agreed<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>My apologies for those offended<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Karl Kloppenborg [mailto:karl@karltec.net] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 1 September 2010 4:42 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Stephen Carter<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Phillip Grasso; ausnog@ausnog.net List; Pinkerton, Eric<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Where are all the Network / Security Enginees?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Off topic I know.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>But...<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Stephen don't you think that is just a bit uncalled for?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Both were just asking for some honest replies, yet you come
in and make a joke of them?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Even though I know I may have cracked a slight joke (let it
be known it was followed by a serious question though) I think you have taken
it too far.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Professional courtesy should be upheld, even by you.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal></rant><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Phillip, on the sydney job.. it states "Or equivalent
experience" what would you say this would be set at?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>five years experience?<o:p></o:p></p>
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Cheers!<br>
Karl Kloppenborg</span></b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On 01/09/2010, at 16:35, Stephen Carter wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Two words that should be added to the Charter:</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Professional courtisy</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D'>·</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt;
color:#1F497D'> <span
class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Ethics</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>You guys are serious hilarious.</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>If you run a great company people come to you, you don’t
need to advertise... tip: good place to start<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span></b><b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D'>J</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Good luck with your search [not being facicious].</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span class=apple-converted-space><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> </span></span><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Phillip
Grasso [mailto:phillip.grasso@gmail.com]<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><br>
<b>Sent:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Wednesday, 1
September 2010 4:30 PM<br>
<b>To:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Stephen Carter<br>
<b>Cc:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Pinkerton, Eric;<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net">ausnog@ausnog.net</a><span
class=apple-converted-space> </span>List<br>
<b>Subject:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Re: [AusNOG]
Where are all the Network / Security Enginees?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>hopefully this is not bad form,
rather then sending starting another thread on this topic for those that are
not interested, instead i'll append to this one. Hopefully you don't mind the
competition for candidates (although I suspect we're after different segment of
candidates).<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><br>
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<a
href="http://www.google.com.au/intl/en/jobs/sydney/engops/opsit/security-engineer-sydney/index.html">http://www.google.com.au/intl/en/jobs/sydney/engops/opsit/security-engineer-sydney/index.html</a><br>
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We're also after<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a
href="http://www.google.com/intl/en/jobs/uslocations/reston/engops/datacenter/network-security-engineer-google-com-reston/index.html">Network
Security engineers</a>, but you'll need to consider working in the US.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 4:08 PM, Stephen Carter <<a
href="mailto:Stephen.Carter@workingtech.com">Stephen.Carter@workingtech.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Agreed<span
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font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D'>J</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>PS you are
welcome to send your resume to us if you want then<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D'>J</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt'>From:</span></b><span
class=apple-converted-space><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt'> </span></span><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt'><a
href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a><span
class=apple-converted-space> </span>[mailto:<a
href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>]<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span></b>Pinkerton, Eric<br>
<b>Sent:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Wednesday, 1
September 2010 4:06 PM<br>
<b>To:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Stephen Carter</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>Cc:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a
href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog@ausnog.net</a><span
class=apple-converted-space> </span>List<br>
<b>Subject:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Re: [AusNOG]
Where are all the Network / Security Enginees?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:blue'>I'll take that on
the chin, but for the record, I'm an engineer not a recruiter.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:blue'>The level of
interest off list far outweighs the flames, so I'm happy.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:blue'>PS. If your staff
are happy you have nothing to fear ;-)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.0pt'>From:</span></b><span class=apple-converted-space><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt'> </span></span><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.0pt'><a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net"
target="_blank">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a><span
class=apple-converted-space> </span>[mailto:<a
href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>]<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span></b>Stephen Carter<br>
<b>Sent:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Wednesday, 1
September 2010 2:46 PM<br>
<b>To:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Pinkerton, Eric<br>
<b>Cc:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a
href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog@ausnog.net</a><span
class=apple-converted-space> </span>List<br>
<b>Subject:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Re: [AusNOG]
Where are all the Network / Security Enginees?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Welcome to Seek
/ Telstra</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>We should
change the charter to include exclusive recruitment channel for Telstra</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>How unusual for
Telstra to not care about the rest of the market.<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D'>J</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt'>From:</span></b><span
class=apple-converted-space><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt'> </span></span><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt'><a
href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a><span
class=apple-converted-space> </span>[mailto:<a
href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>]<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span></b>Pinkerton, Eric<br>
<b>Sent:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Wednesday, 1 September
2010 2:30 PM<br>
<b>Cc:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:blue'>All,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:blue'>I wouldn't
normally consider this, and hope posting this it isn't poor form (the
charter makes no mention), but having exhausted all the usual
methods we are still struggling to find a Network/Security
Engineer in Sydney CBD with either the right level of experience, or
the enthusiasm and aptitude to make up for it.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:blue'>So if you know
anyone who fit's the bill, and might be interested feel free to contact me off
list or view the JD here -<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a
href="http://www.seek.com.au/job/network-security-b-engineer-b/sydney/18023781/97/1/"
target="_blank" title="New window will open"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>http://www.seek.com.au/job/network-security-b-engineer-b/sydney/18023781/97/1/</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:blue'>We are willing to
train the right person if nessessary.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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