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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=905464206-01092010><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial>I think that's a bit nasty Stephen. We're all on this list in
the spirit of working *together* and helping our industry
progress.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=905464206-01092010><FONT color=#0000ff
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<FONT size=2 face=Tahoma><B>From:</B> ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net
[mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Stephen
Carter<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, 1 September 2010 4:35 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Phillip
Grasso<BR><B>Cc:</B> ausnog@ausnog.net List; Pinkerton, Eric<BR><B>Subject:</B>
Re: [AusNOG] Where are all the Network / Security Enginees?<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet MS','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Two
words that should be added to the Charter:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></B></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet MS','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></B></P>
<P style="TEXT-INDENT: -18pt; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1" class=MsoListParagraph><![if !supportLists]><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Symbol; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><SPAN
style="mso-list: Ignore">·<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">
</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><![endif]><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet MS','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Professional
courtisy<o:p></o:p></SPAN></B></P>
<P style="TEXT-INDENT: -18pt; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1" class=MsoListParagraph><![if !supportLists]><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Symbol; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><SPAN
style="mso-list: Ignore">·<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">
</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><![endif]><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet MS','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Ethics<o:p></o:p></SPAN></B></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet MS','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></B></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet MS','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">You
guys are serious hilarious.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></B></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet MS','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></B></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet MS','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">If
you run a great company people come to you, you don’t need to advertise... tip:
good place to start </SPAN></B><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">J</SPAN></B><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet MS','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></B></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet MS','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></B></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet MS','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Good
luck with your search [not being facicious].<o:p></o:p></SPAN></B></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet MS','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></B></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet MS','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></B></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet MS','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></B></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN-US>From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=EN-US> Phillip
Grasso [mailto:phillip.grasso@gmail.com] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, 1 September
2010 4:30 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Stephen Carter<BR><B>Cc:</B> Pinkerton, Eric;
ausnog@ausnog.net List<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [AusNOG] Where are all the Network
/ Security Enginees?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=MsoNormal>hopefully this is not bad form,
rather then sending starting another thread on this topic for those that are not
interested, instead i'll append to this one. Hopefully you don't mind the
competition for candidates (although I suspect we're after different segment of
candidates). <BR><BR><A
href="http://www.google.com.au/intl/en/jobs/sydney/engops/opsit/security-engineer-sydney/index.html">http://www.google.com.au/intl/en/jobs/sydney/engops/opsit/security-engineer-sydney/index.html</A><BR><BR>We're
also after <A
href="http://www.google.com/intl/en/jobs/uslocations/reston/engops/datacenter/network-security-engineer-google-com-reston/index.html">Network
Security engineers</A>, but you'll need to consider working in the US.
<o:p></o:p></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 4:08 PM, Stephen Carter <<A
href="mailto:Stephen.Carter@workingtech.com">Stephen.Carter@workingtech.com</A>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></P>
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<P style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Agreed
</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">J</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">PS you are welcome
to send your resume to us if you want then </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">J</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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<P style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN-US>From:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=EN-US> <A
href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net"
target=_blank>ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</A> [mailto:<A
href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net"
target=_blank>ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</A>] <B>On Behalf Of
</B>Pinkerton, Eric<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, 1 September 2010 4:06
PM<BR><B>To:</B> Stephen Carter<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=EN-US><BR><B>Cc:</B> <A
href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net" target=_blank>ausnog@ausnog.net</A>
List<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [AusNOG] Where are all the Network / Security
Enginees?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<P style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I'll take that on the
chin, but for the record, I'm an engineer not a recruiter.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">The level of
interest off list far outweighs the flames, so I'm
happy.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">PS. If your staff are
happy you have nothing to fear ;-)</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<DIV style="TEXT-ALIGN: center" class=MsoNormal align=center><SPAN lang=EN-US>
<HR align=center SIZE=2 width="100%">
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<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN-US>From:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=EN-US> <A
href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net"
target=_blank>ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</A> [mailto:<A
href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net"
target=_blank>ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</A>] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Stephen
Carter<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, 1 September 2010 2:46 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
Pinkerton, Eric<BR><B>Cc:</B> <A href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net"
target=_blank>ausnog@ausnog.net</A> List<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [AusNOG] Where
are all the Network / Security Enginees?</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Welcome to Seek /
Telstra</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">We should change
the charter to include exclusive recruitment channel for
Telstra</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">How unusual for
Telstra to not care about the rest of the market. </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">J</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN-US>From:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=EN-US> <A
href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net"
target=_blank>ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</A> [mailto:<A
href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net"
target=_blank>ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</A>] <B>On Behalf Of
</B>Pinkerton, Eric<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, 1 September 2010 2:30
PM<BR><B>Cc:</B> <A href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net"
target=_blank>ausnog@ausnog.net</A> List<BR><B>Subject:</B> [AusNOG] Where are
all the Network / Security Enginees?</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV></DIV>
<P style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<DIV>
<P style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">All,</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I wouldn't normally
consider this, and hope posting this it isn't poor form (the charter makes
no mention), but having exhausted all the usual methods we
are still struggling to find a Network/Security Engineer in Sydney CBD
with either the right level of experience, or the enthusiasm
and aptitude to make up for it.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">So if you know anyone
who fit's the bill, and might be interested feel free to contact me off list or
view the JD here - <A title="New window will open"
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