<html><head><base href="x-msg://230/"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Off topic I know.<div><br></div><div>But...</div><div><br></div><div>Stephen don't you think that is just a bit uncalled for?</div><div><br></div><div>Both were just asking for some honest replies, yet you come in and make a joke of them?</div><div><br></div><div>Even though I know I may have cracked a slight joke (let it be known it was followed by a serious question though) I think you have taken it too far.</div><div><br></div><div>Professional courtesy should be upheld, even by you.</div><div><br></div><div></rant></div><div><br></div><div>Phillip, on the sydney job.. it states "Or equivalent experience" what would you say this would be set at?</div><div>five years experience?</div><div><div apple-content-edited="true">
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</font></span></i></font></div></span></i></font></div></span></span></i></font></div></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></div><br><div><div>On 01/09/2010, at 16:35, Stephen Carter wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div lang="EN-AU" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; "><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Two words that should be added to the Charter:<o:p></o:p></span></b></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></b></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 36pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; text-indent: -18pt; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Symbol; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><span>·<span style="font: normal normal normal 7pt/normal 'Times New Roman'; "> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Professional courtisy<o:p></o:p></span></b></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 36pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; text-indent: -18pt; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Symbol; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><span>·<span style="font: normal normal normal 7pt/normal 'Times New Roman'; "> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Ethics<o:p></o:p></span></b></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></b></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">You guys are serious hilarious.<o:p></o:p></span></b></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></b></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">If you run a great company people come to you, you don’t need to advertise... tip: good place to start<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Wingdings; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">J</span></b><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p></o:p></span></b></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></b></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Good luck with your search [not being facicious].<o:p></o:p></span></b></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></b></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></b></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></b></div><div style="border-right-style: none; border-bottom-style: none; border-left-style: none; border-width: initial; border-color: initial; border-top-style: solid; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); border-top-width: 1pt; padding-top: 3pt; padding-right: 0cm; padding-bottom: 0cm; padding-left: 0cm; "><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Phillip Grasso [mailto:phillip.grasso@gmail.com]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Wednesday, 1 September 2010 4:30 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Stephen Carter<br><b>Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Pinkerton, Eric;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">ausnog@ausnog.net</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>List<br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [AusNOG] Where are all the Network / Security Enginees?<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">hopefully this is not bad form, rather then sending starting another thread on this topic for those that are not interested, instead i'll append to this one. Hopefully you don't mind the competition for candidates (although I suspect we're after different segment of candidates).<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br><a href="http://www.google.com.au/intl/en/jobs/sydney/engops/opsit/security-engineer-sydney/index.html" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.google.com.au/intl/en/jobs/sydney/engops/opsit/security-engineer-sydney/index.html</a><br><br>We're also after<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://www.google.com/intl/en/jobs/uslocations/reston/engops/datacenter/network-security-engineer-google-com-reston/index.html" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">Network Security engineers</a>, but you'll need to consider working in the US.<o:p></o:p></p><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 4:08 PM, Stephen Carter <<a href="mailto:Stephen.Carter@workingtech.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">Stephen.Carter@workingtech.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></div><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Agreed<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Wingdings; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">J</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">PS you are welcome to send your resume to us if you want then<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Wingdings; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">J</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><o:p></o:p></div><div><div style="border-right-style: none; border-bottom-style: none; border-left-style: none; border-width: initial; border-color: initial; border-top-style: solid; border-top-color: windowtext; border-top-width: 1pt; padding-top: 3pt; padding-right: 0cm; padding-bottom: 0cm; padding-left: 0cm; "><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; ">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[mailto:<a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Pinkerton, Eric<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Wednesday, 1 September 2010 4:06 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Stephen Carter<o:p></o:p></span></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; "><br><b>Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">ausnog@ausnog.net</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>List<br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [AusNOG] Where are all the Network / Security Enginees?<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "> <o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: blue; ">I'll take that on the chin, but for the record, I'm an engineer not a recruiter.</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "> <o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: blue; ">The level of interest off list far outweighs the flames, so I'm happy.</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "> <o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: blue; ">PS. If your staff are happy you have nothing to fear ;-)</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "> <o:p></o:p></div><div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; text-align: center; "><span lang="EN-US"><hr size="2" width="100%" align="center"></span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; ">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[mailto:<a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Stephen Carter<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Wednesday, 1 September 2010 2:46 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Pinkerton, Eric<br><b>Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">ausnog@ausnog.net</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>List<br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [AusNOG] Where are all the Network / Security Enginees?</span><o:p></o:p></p><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Welcome to Seek / Telstra</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">We should change the charter to include exclusive recruitment channel for Telstra</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">How unusual for Telstra to not care about the rest of the market.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Wingdings; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">J</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><o:p></o:p></div><div><div style="border-right-style: none; border-bottom-style: none; border-left-style: none; border-width: initial; border-color: initial; border-top-style: solid; border-top-color: windowtext; border-top-width: 1pt; padding-top: 3pt; padding-right: 0cm; padding-bottom: 0cm; padding-left: 0cm; "><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; ">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[mailto:<a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Pinkerton, Eric<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Wednesday, 1 September 2010 2:30 PM<br><b>Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">ausnog@ausnog.net</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>List<br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[AusNOG] Where are all the Network / Security Enginees?</span><o:p></o:p></div></div></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "> <o:p></o:p></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: blue; ">All,</span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "> <o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: blue; ">I wouldn't normally consider this, and hope posting this it isn't poor form (the charter makes no mention), but having exhausted all the usual methods we are still struggling to find a Network/Security Engineer in Sydney CBD with either the right level of experience, or the enthusiasm and aptitude to make up for it.</span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "> <o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: blue; ">So if you know anyone who fit's the bill, and might be interested feel free to contact me off list or view the JD here -<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://www.seek.com.au/job/network-security-b-engineer-b/sydney/18023781/97/1/" target="_blank" title="New window will open" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">http://www.seek.com.au/job/network-security-b-engineer-b/sydney/18023781/97/1/</span></a></span><span style="color: black; "></span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "> <o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: blue; ">We are willing to train the right person if nessessary.</span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "> <o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: blue; ">Apologies in advance if I have broken any unwritten rules here!</span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "> <o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; 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