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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=691255906-01092010>I'll let Google speak for me...</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=691255906-01092010></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff><SPAN
class=691255906-01092010><SPAN class=spell style="COLOR: #cc0000">Did you mean:
</SPAN><A class=spell
href="http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&&sa=X&ei=vfl9TNm0J4igvQOE-LiDDg&ved=0CAQQBSgA&q=define%3Afacetious&spell=1"><FONT
color=#0000cc><B><I>facetious</I></B></FONT></A><FONT
color=#000000> </FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=691255906-01092010></SPAN><FONT face=Arial>;<SPAN
class=691255906-01092010>-)</SPAN></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader lang=en-us dir=ltr align=left>
<HR tabIndex=-1>
<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> Stephen Carter
[mailto:Stephen.Carter@workingtech.com] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, 1 September
2010 4:35 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Phillip Grasso<BR><B>Cc:</B> Pinkerton, Eric;
ausnog@ausnog.net List<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [AusNOG] Where are all the Network
/ Security Enginees?<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV class=WordSection1>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet MS','sans-serif'">Two
words that should be added to the Charter:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></B></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet MS','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></B></P>
<P class=MsoListParagraph style="TEXT-INDENT: -18pt; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1"><![if !supportLists]><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: Symbol"><SPAN
style="mso-list: Ignore">·<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">
</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><![endif]><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet MS','sans-serif'">Professional
courtisy<o:p></o:p></SPAN></B></P>
<P class=MsoListParagraph style="TEXT-INDENT: -18pt; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1"><![if !supportLists]><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: Symbol"><SPAN
style="mso-list: Ignore">·<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">
</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><![endif]><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet MS','sans-serif'">Ethics<o:p></o:p></SPAN></B></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet MS','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></B></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet MS','sans-serif'">You
guys are serious hilarious.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></B></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet MS','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></B></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet MS','sans-serif'">If
you run a great company people come to you, you don’t need to advertise... tip:
good place to start </SPAN></B><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings">J</SPAN></B><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet MS','sans-serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></B></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet MS','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></B></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet MS','sans-serif'">Good
luck with your search [not being facicious].<o:p></o:p></SPAN></B></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet MS','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></B></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet MS','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></B></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet MS','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></B></P>
<DIV
style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0cm; BORDER-TOP: #b5c4df 1pt solid; PADDING-LEFT: 0cm; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 3pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none">
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"> Phillip
Grasso [mailto:phillip.grasso@gmail.com] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, 1 September
2010 4:30 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Stephen Carter<BR><B>Cc:</B> Pinkerton, Eric;
ausnog@ausnog.net List<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [AusNOG] Where are all the Network
/ Security Enginees?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt">hopefully this is not bad form,
rather then sending starting another thread on this topic for those that are not
interested, instead i'll append to this one. Hopefully you don't mind the
competition for candidates (although I suspect we're after different segment of
candidates). <BR><BR><A
href="http://www.google.com.au/intl/en/jobs/sydney/engops/opsit/security-engineer-sydney/index.html">http://www.google.com.au/intl/en/jobs/sydney/engops/opsit/security-engineer-sydney/index.html</A><BR><BR>We're
also after <A
href="http://www.google.com/intl/en/jobs/uslocations/reston/engops/datacenter/network-security-engineer-google-com-reston/index.html">Network
Security engineers</A>, but you'll need to consider working in the US.
<o:p></o:p></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 4:08 PM, Stephen Carter <<A
href="mailto:Stephen.Carter@workingtech.com">Stephen.Carter@workingtech.com</A>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></P>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d">Agreed </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings">J</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d">PS you are welcome to send your resume
to us if you want then </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings">J</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0cm; BORDER-TOP: windowtext 1pt solid; PADDING-LEFT: 0cm; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 3pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none">
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><B><SPAN
lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net"
target=_blank>ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</A> [mailto:<A
href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net"
target=_blank>ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</A>] <B>On Behalf Of
</B>Pinkerton, Eric<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, 1 September 2010 4:06
PM<BR><B>To:</B> Stephen Carter<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><BR><B>Cc:</B> <A
href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net" target=_blank>ausnog@ausnog.net</A>
List<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [AusNOG] Where are all the Network / Security
Enginees?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue">I'll take that on the chin, but for the
record, I'm an engineer not a recruiter.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue">The level of interest off
list far outweighs the flames, so I'm happy.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue">PS. If your staff are happy you have
nothing to fear ;-)</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"> <o:p></o:p></P>
<DIV class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-ALIGN: center" align=center><SPAN lang=EN-US>
<HR align=center width="100%" SIZE=2>
</SPAN></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"><B><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net"
target=_blank>ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</A> [mailto:<A
href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net"
target=_blank>ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</A>] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Stephen
Carter<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, 1 September 2010 2:46 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
Pinkerton, Eric<BR><B>Cc:</B> <A href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net"
target=_blank>ausnog@ausnog.net</A> List<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [AusNOG] Where
are all the Network / Security Enginees?</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d">Welcome to Seek /
Telstra</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d">We should change the charter to include
exclusive recruitment channel for Telstra</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d">How unusual for Telstra to not care
about the rest of the market. </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings">J</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0cm; BORDER-TOP: windowtext 1pt solid; PADDING-LEFT: 0cm; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 3pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none">
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><B><SPAN
lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net"
target=_blank>ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</A> [mailto:<A
href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net"
target=_blank>ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</A>] <B>On Behalf Of
</B>Pinkerton, Eric<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, 1 September 2010 2:30
PM<BR><B>Cc:</B> <A href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net"
target=_blank>ausnog@ausnog.net</A> List<BR><B>Subject:</B> [AusNOG] Where are
all the Network / Security Enginees?</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"> <o:p></o:p></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue">All,</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue">I wouldn't normally consider this, and hope
posting this it isn't poor form (the charter makes no mention), but
having exhausted all the usual methods we are still struggling to find
a Network/Security Engineer in Sydney CBD with either the right level
of experience, or the enthusiasm and aptitude to make up for
it.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue">So if you know anyone who fit's the bill,
and might be interested feel free to contact me off list or view the
JD here - <A title="New window will open"
href="http://www.seek.com.au/job/network-security-b-engineer-b/sydney/18023781/97/1/"
target=_blank><SPAN
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