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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=004215303-12082010>Let's not overlook the fact that Citrix came about as
a band-aid solution for high latency/low bandwidth.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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class=004215303-12082010></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=004215303-12082010><irony></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=004215303-12082010>Perhaps the gov't would be better spending money
on a big Citrix farm!</SPAN></FONT><BR><SPAN class=004215303-12082010><FONT
face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></irony></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net
[mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Andrew
Oskam<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, 12 August 2010 1:37 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Curtis
Bayne<BR><B>Cc:</B> ausnog@ausnog.net; Tom Sykes<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [AusNOG]
background radiation was: "i want a pony!" (was Re:Long live the NBN. The NBN is
dead?! [personal])<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>What if something better than Citrix comes along in 10-20 years time?
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<DIV>Things change. Technology eventually becomes redundant.<BR>
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<DIV>On 12/08/2010, at 10:43 AM, Curtis Bayne wrote:</DIV><BR
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<P><FONT size=2>Beyond 1Mbps and with appropriate latency a Citrix session is
indistinguishable from a local host.<BR><BR>There are many regional mining
companies with 4Mbps/4Mbps ATM circuits from Telstra with 100-400 thin clients
hanging off the end who have great success.<BR><BR>A 1.5Mbps DSL circuit is
perfectly suitable for teleworking.<BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From:
Daniel Hood [<A
href="mailto:dsmhood@gmail.com">mailto:dsmhood@gmail.com</A>]<BR>Sent: Thu
8/12/2010 10:11 AM<BR>To: Curtis Bayne<BR>Cc: Andrew Oskam; Tom Sykes; <A
href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net">ausnog@ausnog.net</A><BR>Subject: Re: [AusNOG]
background radiation was: "i want a pony!" (was Re:Long live the NBN. The NBN is
dead?! [personal])<BR><BR>Fine and at normal speed are two very different
things.<BR><BR>On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 10:06 AM, Curtis Bayne <<A
href="mailto:curtis@bayne.com.au">curtis@bayne.com.au</A>> wrote:<BR>>
Citrix runs perfectly fine under 512Kbps, ensuring latency is less than<BR>>
100ms end-to-end.<BR>><BR>> I used to do this over VodafoneAU GPRS many
moons ago...<BR>><BR>><BR>> -----Original Message-----<BR>> From: <A
href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</A>
on behalf of Daniel Hood<BR>> Sent: Thu 8/12/2010 9:57 AM<BR>> To: Andrew
Oskam<BR>> Cc: Tom Sykes; <A
href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net">ausnog@ausnog.net</A><BR>> Subject: Re:
[AusNOG] background radiation was: "i want a pony!" (was<BR>> Re:Long live
the NBN. The NBN is dead?! [personal])<BR>><BR>> Yea come on
guys.<BR>><BR>> Botnet providers would only need maybe 10 bots to
successfully bring<BR>> down a 100mbit datacenter connection without the bot
infected pc<BR>> owners finding out.<BR>><BR>> Or even better, you
could brute force a data center server and have<BR>> the only bottleneck
being both end-points processors, no longer the<BR>> slow 6mbit DSL or
such.<BR>><BR>> Think of the positives guys!<BR>><BR>> But more
importantly. I like the fact that I could actually get<BR>> employee's to
start working properly from home. E.G, they have a<BR>> netbook loaded up
with just a thin client then they have their work<BR>> pc, that they can
connect from they're home 100mbit fibre, work<BR>> 100mbit LAN or 42mbit
(Telstra's just about got them out) mobile<BR>> internet card. Seriously,
when I can have mobile employee's connecting<BR>> to a virtualised pc at
work, my life becomes a lot easier.<BR>><BR>> Also, the other positive is
the possibility for people to be able to<BR>> do home / SoHo offsite backups.
House fires, floods and other natural<BR>> disasters... Thief... All wouldn't
matter as much anymore. Because<BR>> your data would be
safe...<BR>><BR>> Just my 2 cents.<BR>><BR>> Dan<BR>><BR>> On
Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 7:15 AM, Andrew Oskam <<A
href="mailto:percy@th3interw3bs.net">percy@th3interw3bs.net</A>><BR>>
wrote:<BR>>> I also dislike that people either forget or assume that the
Internet will<BR>>> be the same in 10 or 20 years.<BR>>><BR>>>
Look how much it's changed in 15.<BR>>><BR>>> In my own opinion we
are are just barely able to cope with the content we<BR>>> have now on the
current model.<BR>>><BR>>> Sent from my iPhone<BR>>>
-------------<BR>>> Andrew Oskam<BR>>><BR>>> On 11/08/2010, at
11:46 PM, Adrian Chadd <<A
href="mailto:adrian@creative.net.au">adrian@creative.net.au</A>>
wrote:<BR>>><BR>>>> On Wed, Aug 11, 2010, Anand Kumria
wrote:<BR>>>><BR>>>>>> to 3, that means in the slightly
above average case there are 5 people<BR>>>>>> living in a
residence. If each of those people wants to conduct a
high<BR>>>>>> definition video conference at the same time, that
is approximately 5 x<BR>>>>>> 8 Mbps symmetric bandwidth [0], or
40Mbps. That is of course peak<BR>>>>>> bandwidth, and worst
case. 3 children is not that common, and I think 5<BR>>>>>>
concurrent HD video conferences is even less likely to happen.
However,<BR>>>>>> it is a feasible and possible use
case.<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>> So what is the other
60Mbps for?<BR>>>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>> Whatever the
hell people dream up.<BR>>>><BR>>>>> I see that close to
30% utilisation across some (others have close to<BR>>>>>
10%)<BR>>>>> of my DSL links is just Internet background
radiation.<BR>>>><BR>>>>> I assume things will be even less
predictable when TV providers decide<BR>>>>> to<BR>>>>>
'pre-stream' shows to a bunch of households as
well.<BR>>>><BR>>>> I dislike how people keep focusing on
traditional media rather than<BR>>>> wondering<BR>>>> what
people could do with it.<BR>>>><BR>>>> (Besides porn, of
course.)<BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>>
Adrian<BR>>>><BR>>>>
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