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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-AU link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I personally love the idea of the NBN – in theory.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I just can’t resolve the following:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:54.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>How does government justify subsidising alternatives where competition is already working nicely<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:54.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>How does government justify subsidising alternatives with detriment to existing private investment (Sovereign risk?) – except where genuine monopolies exist.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:54.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Can we say that customers are getting a better deal if they are paying for it in other ways (for example): <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:90.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>o<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Increased national debt, higher interest payments<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:90.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>o<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Economic and opportunity costs of utilising this money for other (perhaps more needy) infrastructure / services?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I agree that the NBN would be preferable to doing nothing, however isn’t it possible that we can treat what the coalition is proposing as phase 1? Does their proposal limit Government from getting involved in the future should competitive forces fail to take advantages of backhaul alternatives. IMO government should provide what the market can’t or won’t for various reasons – never should it render previous private investment useless, nor should it overtly subsidise competition that will destroy competitive alternatives.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Could somebody explain how we believe that NBNco would be different here? Once NBNco kills of competition (read infrastructure competition, since who can compete with a government subsidised investment when private investors expect a reasonable return on investment), what levels of service could we expect from NBNco – and how this would be different to the arrogant, monopolistic attitude that Telecom/Telstra had before being privatised and telecommunications being de-regulated? Competition not only drives price, but innovation and service levels (to avoid losing market share). What will force NBNco to fix a fault within X hours? Who would we threaten to migrate our services to, should SLA’s continually be not met?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I have read with interest the debate on this for some time, and some would argue that the national interest is the driving force here, and while I could agree that having a technological edge on other countries will do us much good, have we not learned from the lessons of the past? How long would this technological edge exist for? If we have to imagine that the potential payback on this project will be 15-20 years – and if networks need upgrading during that time, will it be upgraded? Again – In my opinion– we will see a lack of innovation and progress in the medium to long term, and we will once again fall behind.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>One more thing that others may have considered/discussed – How do we facilitate genuine redundancy options for customers that require it? Who (other than perhaps Telstra) could easily reach a customer premise with an alternative path on fibre? How much more expensive will the redundant service be – when compared to the primary service being obtained from NBNCo? Would any carrier justify further investment and expansion of their fibre assets just to be considered an expensive redundant solution for the limited number of organisations that would require it?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>And finally, I do think that it is a mistake to not deal with access to customer premises, specifically access ducts / conduits etc. I wish that the coalition policy had dealt with this. Backhaul and duct access probably are the two biggest inhibitors to competition in this space.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I am open for arguments either way – but I cannot stress enough - that government has never ran anything efficiently, built anything on-time or on budget, provided high levels of service or quality, nor had a customer service focus at least in my own lifetime. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Sorry for rambling ;-)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Glenn<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net [mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Matthew Moyle-Croft<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 12 August 2010 4:17 PM<br><b>To:</b> Curtis Bayne<br><b>Cc:</b> ausnog@ausnog.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] background radiation was: "i want a pony!" (wasRe:Long live the NBN. The NBN is dead?! [personal])<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>So,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>You're arguing against the NBN because your customers might get a better deal?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>MMC<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 12/08/2010, at 3:19 PM, Curtis Bayne wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><p style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Of course I don't - Telstra aren't scary.<br><br>Telstra need to justify this investment to their shareholders, fund their steamrolling expeditions out of cashflow, are bound by normal carrier privileges and will probably just throw down a few token DSLAMs about the place because that's how they (truck/rick)roll. Maybe turn up a few extra NextG channels for good luck and call the job done.<br><br>...and they'll price themselves out of the small to medium enterprise market.<br><br>NBNCo, on the other hand, will directly target each and every one of my customers, install infrastructure into their premises on an opt-out basis and deliver it at a price point which no cashflow-funded entity in this country that I can think of can compete with.<br><br>The latter scares me far more!<br><br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: <a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a> on behalf of <a href="mailto:craig@askings.com.au">craig@askings.com.au</a><br>Sent: Thu 8/12/2010 3:31 PM<br>To: <a href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net">ausnog@ausnog.net</a><br>Subject: Re: [AusNOG] background radiation was: "i want a pony!" (wasRe:Long live the NBN. The NBN is dead?! [personal])<br><br>Curtis Bayne wrote:<br>> Perhaps I'm over analyzing the question, or unsure of what exactly<br>you're<br>> asking.<br>><br>> Regulatory certainty in this context is simple: a guarantee that a<br>government-owned entity with practically limitless capital and with<br>super-carrier privileges won't steamroll my regional telco deployment<br>into<br>> financial oblivion.<br><br>Do you want them to ban Telstra from overbuilding you as well? Prior to<br>the NBN being a glimmer in Conroy's eye, if you built any kind of regional<br>Customer Access Network in an under-served area Telstra would come in and<br>try and steam roll you.<br><br>I'm sure there are a few people on this list that have seen that first<br>hand, perhaps somewhere in South East regional part of SA????<br><br>Craig.<br><br></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></body></html>