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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-AU link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Hi Grahame,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>My place of work would gladly pay that cost for me to be able to work ($5k NBN build up front) from home, however they wouldn’t fit a bill of say $50k+ if someone say Nextgen or Amcom/PIPE – whoever, was to lay fiber direct to my house if there wasn’t an NBN. From a consumer perspective, If I had a quotation to put fiber into a new house for $5k – I would do it, but I agree with you that the average 2+2 family wouldn’t, especially on a single or restricted income – but given an alternative of $1k for a FTTN network, if they were forced to choose between the two – clearly they would chose the cheaper option, but again its difficult, because the networks aren’t apples and apples.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>What I want to understand, is that both parties plans involve using taxpayer money - one is more futuristic and inherently expensive, but the other is the “economic” option, yet doesn’t do anything about replacing the copper bottleneck. If a FTTN network could offer 100Mbps synchronous connectivity over VDSL2+ or some new technology, and save the $35bn on having to roll fiber into everyone’s house – I’d be all for that – as there are many better places that money could be diverted into, such as Mental Health, etc… but promising 12Mbps national broadband network for $6bn is pointless as for my situation its only going to provide double the download speed, and no upload speed improvement, compared with a FTTH which would increase my upload/download by (ISP permitting) 20-50 times.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>After reading peoples responses to my original post from last night, I realise that there is more to it than I had originally thought through, but I still think that 100Mbps NBN is better than a 12Mbps NBN, cost not withstanding.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Either way – I don’t even know if all of this will even be resolved in this election – how long is it going to take the next govt to either ramp up NBNco, or sell it, may depend on what legislation is required to roll out the respective networks, infrastructure and regulation.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Greg<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net [mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Grahame Lynch<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 11 August 2010 12:15 PM<br><b>To:</b> Paul Brooks<br><b>Cc:</b> ausnog@lists.ausnog.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Long live the NBN. The NBN is dead?! [personal]<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 11 August 2010 11:04, Paul Brooks <<a href="mailto:pbrooks-ausnog@layer10.com.au">pbrooks-ausnog@layer10.com.au</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><br> <o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>Perhaps your need hasn't changed. Mine has, and over the next 10 - 30<br>years I suspect it will change more. I no longer have a single PC shared<br>by all in the household - I have several, each capable of saturating far<br>more capacity than thye one I had 10 years ago, along with several<br>people who all want to access network resources simultaneously. I'm<br>currently finding sub-1 Mbps upstream speeds quite limiting - and<br>economically and productively limiting - and others do too.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Paul I accept all that but I ask a question.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Are you personally prepared to pay for the real cost of that service since you experience a private benefit or productivity gain? Or should the cost of that be partly borne by others who don't necessarily share the productivity gain? That seems to be the nub of the issue here - most people will pay $40-50 a month for broadband but they wouldn't pay the implied $3,000-5,000 per household connection and activation cost of the NBN budget directly if asked to...in strict economic terms, it is a transfer from non-high speed broadband users to high speed broadband users where costs are very hazily proportioned between public and private interest criteria....<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></body></html>