<div class="gmail_quote">On 11 August 2010 12:53, Tom Sykes <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:TomSykes@nbnco.com.au">TomSykes@nbnco.com.au</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
David Connors writes.....<br>
<div class="im">> Another thing lost on the one-eyed-NBN-at-any-cost nerds arguing in this<br>
> debate is that there are entire sectors of the population who don't give<br>
> a toss about quality of service on the Internet- loading a web page is<br>
> FINE for a lot of people who just want to tool around on Facebook or whatever<br>
<br>If you freeze the application capability at a point in time (e.g. Text Webpages) then we would never have required DSL.</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>At the risk of stating the obvious, going from PSTN -> DSL had a number of advantages:</div>
<div><ul><li>Faster bandwidth and now you can run multiple audio/video streams and not care</li><li>No need for two lines</li><li>Much less drop outs</li></ul><div>There were huge, obvious, and practical wins going from PSTN to ADSL. </div>
<div><br></div><div>I am not sure there is going to be the same natural demand from people going from 5 or 10 or 24 or whatever mbps today to 25, 50, 100 mbps in a couple of years.</div></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
If you are building this network for "Facebook", then I mostly agree, you probably won't see much difference between your Internode 25M service and a Fibre 25M Service. However, making the "internet" faster is clearly not the only goal here.<br>
</blockquote><div><br></div><div>25M also does the "youtube" as well. An Internode DSL service with decent CPE (877-m-k9) is surprisingly good. </div><div><br></div><div>All of those poor buggers behind RIMs and pair gain are definitely in need of something better, but I doubt my life in inner city Brisbane is going to be revolutionised by speeds that allow me to burn through my monthly quote in 1 hour instead of 3. </div>
<div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">There are clearly other applications (and more to emerge) which either (a) simply cannot be provided using current infrastructure, or</blockquote>
<div><br></div><div>Ah yes, the classic broadband clichés of a neurosurgeon operating on someone over HD video and so on. Oh wait, all the current (and remotely affordable) NBN plans have a 2 (less than what I get on Annex M now), 4, or 8mbps upstream because ISPs don't want to cannibalise their expensive symmetrical links they sell to business. </div>
<div><br></div><div>Then there is pay TV I guess- but then again Foxtel only makes what? $150M a year gross out of all its subscribers? And that is charging $50-140 a month - which would be savaged with competition from IPTV players. </div>
<div><br></div><div>Everything about the NBN looks rosy <b>provided</b> you ignore the amount of tax payer money being sunk into it. </div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
(b) may work, but suffer from the lack of determinism in the copper loop and can't be offered on a consistent basis.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Possibly, and as I said earlier I am definitely in favour of fibre in my house - but I recognise that I am a nerd and work in IT and so not representative of the general populace. I am not sure what the average westie bogan is going to do with it (hopefully not neurosurgery), <i>or if they would even subscribe</i>.</div>
<div><br></div><div>$43bln (x 2 plus a few dozen dead people if it is going to run as well as previous government visionary projects) is a lot of money, that much is certain. God only knows what wholesale fees need to be brought in to provide some return on the sunk capital + cover opex. </div>
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