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<br><div><div>On 11/08/2010, at 9:36 AM, Tim McCullagh wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div><br>----- Original Message ----- <br>From: "Andrew Oskam" <<a href="mailto:percy@th3interw3bs.net">percy@th3interw3bs.net</a>><br><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Turnbull... We want fibre dammit.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Sent from my iPhone<br></blockquote><br><br>Hows the irony in this. "we want more fibre" but we send the message from <br>a wireless device.<br><br>Maybe the liberals are in tune with the broader communities needs.<br><br>As someone that signs the front of cheques and someone that talks to <br>customers everyday about what they want, need and have the capacity to pay <br>for it amazes me when I see the statements above or the statement that we <br>should build the best most expensive option now. It is like saying we <br>should "all" be driving the latest model flashest car (rolls royce) on the <br>market, because at the ends of the day this technology will be the only <br>technology customers can choose.(for fixed services)...... Talk about <br>limiting the options and that is before we consider how much it will cost <br>each of us and whether we have the capacity to pay for it. My pensioner <br>customers want something around the $30 mark and they make up 20% of 'the <br>customers.... You don't need to be to cleaver to work out that spending <br>$7000 on a customer ot get a $30 monthly gross income doesn't stack up. <br>Has anyone got the latest $ per customer connected figure for Tasmania? The <br>last one I saw was $20K+ .<br><br>The bottom line is none of us are in a position to comment about whether all <br>australians can afford afford the roll royce ftth solution. Personally I <br>think that it should be left to the market to provide solutions that <br>customers are prepared to and have the capacity to pay for.<br><br>If you want ftth ask your telco to provide it. I would suggest most of us <br>won't want it after all. I am in that situation myself and I deploy ftth to <br>some of my customers, but I can't justify the build cost to my home at this <br>time, that doesn't mean I won't happen, it means I will wait until there is <br>enough demand to justify it. There is one other very interesting issue. <br>Believe it on not customers don't want us to dig up their yards to install <br>the lead in. I have had 2 customers is a short period of time that have <br>elected to go for a wireless device instead of the fibre which is right at <br>their front door. An 8 meter lead in in one case a 4 meter lead in in the <br>other. In fact it is worse than that I have lost customers becasue I was <br>digging up someone elses footpath to install the backbone conduit and fibre, <br>because they didn't want me to dig up their foot path and they told me so. <br>This all leads me to think, that it really is not as sort after as some on <br>this list would indicate. It is all worth considering from the point of <br>view of those that have to sign the front of the cheques. The governments <br>money is yours and mine so saying the government can afford it without <br>determining what the community will need to forgo, is a little off the mark <br>as well. Funds / money is a limited resource and we should all think <br>carefully before demanding that we want everything when we don't have the <br>ability to pay for everything. It is one thing to have a wish list, but at <br>the end of the day we all need to priorities what is most important for each <br>and everyone of us.<br><br><br>regards<br><br>Tim <br><br>_______________________________________________<br>AusNOG mailing list<br><a href="mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net">AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net</a><br>http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog<br></div></div><br></div></body></html>