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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-AU link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>I don’t mind the rant – I intended my post to be a 2 way discussion and not just pro-NBN<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Thanks for your thoughts – they highlight what is so great about AUSNOG that there are always 2 sides to the fence, and not necessarily a clear cut choice of which side is best – I was purely stating from a speed perspective, I would rather spend ~$1500 of my tax money on a FTTN, than less on a hybrid network.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>The wholesale monopoly side of things, we just have to put faith in the govt/nbnco that they aren’t going to f*** us over in the future (uh oh?)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Greg<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";mso-fareast-language:EN-AU'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";mso-fareast-language:EN-AU'> Stephen Carter [mailto:Stephen.Carter@workingtech.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 11 August 2010 5:41 AM<br><b>To:</b> 'Greg M'<br><b>Cc:</b> ausnog@ausnog.net<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [AusNOG] Long live the NBN. The NBN is dead?! [personal]<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>I just can help myself...<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Bringing a political view to this forum with no real technical value is very disappointing.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>It is obvious that the NBN substitute proposed yesterday is a badly presented incomplete policy. But there is some significant merit in the concepts hidden in the ideas presented.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Governments (anywhere) should not be creating commercial monopolies like the NBN. We don’t need to be in the bad “Telstra” situation in a few years time again, only real competition can prevent that.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Neither plan is good, but there is merit in a hybrid of the NBN and the Coalitions plan plus some other ideas that together could be a very good outcome for > 95% and I wish that people like you kept the politics out of it when talking to an educated forum (again very disappointing).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>You have expressed a common view with many other citizens, being that fast internet will save money, allow you to work fast from one site etc... but you overlook the real consequences including: wholesale off shoring and large foreign cashed up businesses destroying the Australian ISP and CSP landscape. These are the real threats of superfast internet, and may rather result in lower incomes and greater unemployment (opposite to your one business view). And by the way I am a very strong supporter in super fast internet, just not the way any political party intends to impose it on the nation.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>If only there was a party that really cared about the policy and outcomes and were not just trying to buy votes by creating monopolies for the future. I could vote for that!!!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Enough already... sorry for my rant now </span><span style='font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D'>J</span><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";mso-fareast-language:EN-AU'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Colleagues,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>After reading the Coalition’s plan for the NBN, and their own “NBN” type policy (I don’t think it can be fairly called a plan), I sit here in my chair pondering what will happen if what “The Australian” predicts is a loss of major Labor seats in NSW & QLD: (And Please, blast me here if the remainder of this email comes all political)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>-<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span><![endif]>NBN is scrapped. Tasmanian network is sold (to who – won’t this be a Monopoly? Who will want to roll out a competitive network to a FTTH???)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>-<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span><![endif]>Coalition spends ~$100M on more blackspot programs (where – where are their plans, similar to those from NBNco/Labor?!) in 2011/12<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>-<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span><![endif]>Coalition spends random amounts of other money to invest in DSL & Satelite in regional centers, and Fixed Wireless technology (again, where?)<br><br>Ok, so being from WA – and travelling to a lot of “regional” locations, including Margaret River, Dunsborough, and even looking at the Perth metro…. We currently have 4 competitive wireless networks, all of which are decent in speed and expanding. My workplace has a Vivid Wireless modem at Murdoch that can easily transfer 10Mbps, 20ish km out of the City. Outside of the city, when I took my NextG USB stick down to Margaret River I was able to get 1.4MB/s!! That is 250km from the CBD. These speeds of course vary from person to person, location to location – but there is no need to duplicate the networks, and the networks themselves, are NO match for the speed, and inherent latency of a Fiber to the home service/deployment.<br><br>A further example – In January 2008, I drove with my parents down from Brisbane to Sydney, taking a Laptop with me. I kept a solid VPN connection for the entire trip on my NextG USB stick. Surely there may not be Optus, Vivid or N+1 carriers for every single kilometre of the country, but surely retail competition in Mobile broadband now is at a better point than it ever has been, and there shouldn’t need to be any further duplication? <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'>The only areas that miss out are rural – and in a perfect world they would get fiber, but unfortunately the cost is too high. 2 way Satellite is probably the only way this will go.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>-<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span><![endif]>Looking at situations such as RIM’s – how does the Coalition’s plan propose to deal with that? They mention Telstra, however it took years and years and YEARS to get any traction in negotiation anything with Telstra, so maybe we can put this into some sort of Election basket for 2014?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>-<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span><![endif]>What about competitor ADSL hardware? My home ADSL connection that is in a rather expensive Perth suburb, is only able to sync at 5Mbps due to being 3kM from the exchange. How, and where does the Coalition’s NBN plan propose to deal with reducing the length of my copper pair, and or If they plan to do a FTTN type Opel thing – how are they planning on compensating infrastructure (DSLAM) owners, and how do they also plan to manage that aspect of a network? Isnt that just another NBNco wholesale monopoly that they say they want to avoid?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>There really are too many unanswered questions – and even though I shamefully am admitting here that I support Senator Conroy’s NBN plans (even though I am strongly against a filter), I don’t think that the magnitude of this issue is worth lying low and shrugging off. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>So, I have decided to put my own neck on the line and email (separately from this email) friends and family in what will likely be read as a spam email by the time they read the subject, but as a “tech” in the industry, I want to tell people who read all of the politically bias, or Christian influenced, articles on in the news papers, in SMH, or other locations that the simple facts are that if they want to live in a country which will have communications infrastructure that will be able to support technologies of now, the emerging, and the future, and enable us to compete with other digital economies such as South Korea, Japan and others that we have three choices:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo4'><![if !supportLists]><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>1)<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span><![endif]>You can vote Labor if you have no major objections with your local candidate and would like to see our digital economy move forwards<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo4'><![if !supportLists]><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>2)<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span><![endif]>You can vote Greens if you don’t like your labor candidate, but like the idea of the NBN, and also don’t want the Filter.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo4'><![if !supportLists]><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>3)<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span><![endif]>Vote Liberal if you like men in red bathing suits, and don’t honestly care about telecommunications.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I had to present a paper to the company I work for detailing what the NBN will mean for the company, and how it will impact the business’s costs (Large Civil/Structural Engineering firm) . I simply stated that the NBN would enable the company to (in theory, social ramifications aside) eliminate almost all office locations, significantly saving millions of dollars each year in rent, electricity and related expenses (workers comp, the list goes on), and basically provide CAD & Engineering workstations (or thin clients) to staff to work from home. The staff would then “vpn” in through the NBN to a central network location where files/emails are stored, and keep in touch through Skype (video + audio), all in the comfort, convenience and flexibility of their own homes.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>The biggest off-shoot of all this is, that the company would have more money, saved from office expenditure to spend on<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>-<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span><![endif]>Employee Salaries<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>-<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span><![endif]>Lowering hourly charge out rates to clients, thus gaining more work, or providing better value to clients through other means (i.e. additional services @ same cost etc etc)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Basket case for the NBN. There are others that are less rosy – but I personally believe that every business has the opportunity to reap benefits from an NBN – not just consumers. It will improve the way we work, live and play.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>So there is my email… Hastily cobbled together from a scared voter who has to choose from the lesser of 2 evils in 10 days. Abbot – If only you had fully supported the ALP NBN Plan/NBNco, then you would have had my full and undivided vote.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>So please, if you agree with me, don’t just sit on your hands, tell your friends and family that they should vote for an NBN – Labor or Greens.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Thanks for reading this far into the email,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Greg<o:p></o:p></p><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";mso-fareast-language:EN-AU'><hr size=2 width="100%" align=center></span></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:gray;mso-fareast-language:EN-AU'>Scanned by</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";mso-fareast-language:EN-AU'> <strong><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#4F1F91'>MailMarshal</span></strong> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";mso-fareast-language:EN-AU'><hr size=2 width="100%" align=center></span></div></div></body></html>