<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Thinking a bit out of the box here,<div>But if I am reading your reply correctly mark then the christian lobby group (for a fee) will promote our ideas?</div><div><br></div><div>Why don't we fund them to not support the filter (wouldn't that put this whole thing on its head)</div><div><br><div apple-content-edited="true">
<span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(21, 33, 246); font-size: 12px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; 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text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(5, 97, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 9px; font-style: italic; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div><b><br class="Apple-interchange-newline">Cheers!<br class="Apple-interchange-newline">Karl Kloppenborg</b></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;"><br></span></div></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></div><div><div>On 03/08/2010, at 10:37, Mark Newton wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div>On 03/08/2010, at 8:28 AM, Kai wrote:<br><br><blockquote type="cite">Well, he's at it again...<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Election 2010: Q&A with the Australian Christian Lobby's Jim Wallace on filters and classification<br></blockquote><br>The Australian Christian Lobby is a company, not a grass roots<br>organization.<br><br><a href="http://www2.search.asic.gov.au/cgi-bin/gns030c?acn=075_120_517&juris=9&hdtext=ACN&srchsrc=1">http://www2.search.asic.gov.au/cgi-bin/gns030c?acn=075_120_517&juris=9&hdtext=ACN&srchsrc=1</a><br><br>It offers lobbying services (in exchange for a fee) to its customers.<br>It presents itself as representative of a wide constituency in its<br>marketing materials, but it almost certainly counts a small number of<br>fundamentalist pentecostal religious organizations as customers.<br><br>The idea that they're some kind of broad membership-based body <br>representing tens of thousands of christians is a PR fabrication.<br>One "joins" or "donates" to the ACL in the same way that one "joins"<br>or "donates" to Harvey Norman.<br><br>It used to be called the Australian Christian Coalition, and it still<br>carries ideological (if not financial) links to the Christian Coalition<br>of America in the United States.<br><br>There have been various attempts over the last few years to find <br>out who their customers and/or funders are, including a try by the<br>Greens during the gay marriage debate in 2008.<br><br>(I wanted to demonstrate their audience reach by showing a stats page<br>from Alexa.com, but "Historical data not available for sites ranked<br><blockquote type="cite">100,000" http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/acl.org.au :)<br></blockquote><br> - mark<br><br><br>--<br>Mark Newton Email: newton@internode.com.au (W)<br>Network Engineer Email: newton@atdot.dotat.org (H)<br>Internode Pty Ltd Desk: +61-8-82282999<br>"Network Man" - Anagram of "Mark Newton" Mobile: +61-416-202-223<br><br><br><br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>AusNOG mailing list<br>AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net<br>http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog<br></div></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>