<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Chris,<div>FWIW, I wasn't suggesting you were doing anything wrong, just surprised about it. Certainly a big length of 0.6PUIT is going to help.</div><div><br></div><div>MMC</div><div><br><div><div>On 29/07/2010, at 11:32 AM, Chris Pollock wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">
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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="084403601-29072010"><font face="Arial" size="2">Not as surprised as I was! It took a few goes at the order to get
it right, there's only so many times you can get an 'Incorrect deployment
class' message before you start going back to your distance/resistance
calculations. </font></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="084403601-29072010"><font face="Arial" size="2"></font></span> </div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="084403601-29072010"><font face="Arial" size="2">Deployment classes aren't strictly distance based, they're
actually on power levels injected at certain levels of
resistance calculated over distance; the 1.1km full speed range is
based on an average of 0.4 PUIT copper. This run happened to have
a large section of 0.6 PUIT as the exchange service area was split for the
installation of a new exchange some years ago, and a lot of new, high quality
line went in. So that is actually still obeying the deployment class
rules, just got super lucky with the cable run.</font></span></div>
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<div><font><span class="084403601-29072010"></span></font><font face="Arial" size="2"><span class="084403601-29072010">Cheers,</span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0cm; "><font face="Arial" size="2"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">--<br></span></font><font face="Arial" size="2"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Chris
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<font face="Tahoma" size="2"><b>From:</b> Matthew Moyle-Croft
[mailto:mmc@internode.com.au] <br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 29 July 2010 11:34
AM<br><b>To:</b> Chris Pollock<br><b>Cc:</b>
<a href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net">ausnog@ausnog.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Highest ADSL2 internet
connection speed<br></font><br></div>
<div></div>Hi Chris,
<div><br></div>
<div>I haven't looked, but I'm surprised you're running 9q at 1.9km. But
as I said before, the legal limitations allow us to deliver much less than
what the equipment is capable of.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>(We've got a range of pairs in a range of deployment classes due to
distance at various locations).</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>MMC</div>
<div><br>
<div>
<div>On 29/07/2010, at 10:19 AM, Chris Pollock wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline">
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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="418324300-29072010"><font face="Arial" size="2">Yes, exactly - not difficult to get full speed at sub1km, in fact
it's expected - every single successful order we've placed has been in
deployment class 9q.</font></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="418324300-29072010"><font face="Arial" size="2"></font></span> </div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="418324300-29072010"><font face="Arial" size="2">My question for you MMC is, what's the greatest distance over which
you've achieved full speed per pair?</font></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="418324300-29072010"><font face="Arial" size="2"></font></span> </div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="418324300-29072010"><font face="Arial" size="2">I've got a single pair on a HN402 sync'd at full
speed travelling over 1.9km of copper. It's interesting, the
expected tailoff vs what we see in the real world - the equipment seems to
be capable of better speeds than expected.</font></span></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div>
<div><span class="418324300-29072010"><font face="Arial" size="2">Cheers,</font></span></div>
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Pollock<br></span></font><font face="Arial" size="2"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Technical & Install
Manager<br>PIPE Networks Limited<br><br></span></font></div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font><font face="Arial" size="2"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></span></font><p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="2"><b><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">PPC-1 is now
live!<br></span></font></b><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">6900 km, 20 Months, 2.56 Tbps,
12.5 kilovolts, $200 Million and 100% Australian
Owned.<br></span></font><font face="Arial" color="navy" size="2"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><a title="http://www.pipeinternational.com/" href="http://www.pipeinternational.com/">http://www.pipeinternational.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></font><font face="Arial" size="2"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><br><br>Mobile :
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<font face="Tahoma" size="2"><b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>
[mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Matthew
Moyle-Croft<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 29 July 2010 10:38 AM<br><b>To:</b>
Marcus Emanuel @ HostCorp<br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a>; Paul
Brooks<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Highest ADSL2 internet connection
speed<br></font><br></div>
<div></div><br>
<div>
<div>On 29/07/2010, at 9:14 AM, Marcus Emanuel @ HostCorp wrote:</div>
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<div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1"><font class="Apple-style-span"><br></font>
<div style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif">Anyone
have any feedback on EFM Circuits and speeds seen, pairs required to
bond for 10Mbit over certain distances
etc?</span></div></div></div></span></blockquote>
<div><br></div>
<div>SHDSL is different to ADSL in terms of the deployment classes and how
they're done. </div>
<div><br></div>
<div>The limitation about speed is much more related to the deployment
class than what's technically possible. Our EFM equipment quite
happily maxes 5.7Mbps/pair when allowed to, but as distance increases
beyond 1km, what speed you're allowed to do drops.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>We have many pairs which are running happily at the 5.7Mbps/pair
maximum. So delivering 10Mbps within 1km or so of the exchange is
fairly straightforward.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>MMC</div><br>
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<div style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif">Marcus.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<div style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma, sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Paul Brooks
[mailto:pbrooks-ausnog@layer10.com.au]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Thursday, 29 July 2010 8:51
AM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Marcus
Emanuel<br><b>Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a style="COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline" href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [AusNOG] Highest ADSL2
internet connection speed<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div>
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<div style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif">On
28/07/2010 9:33 AM, Marcus Emanuel wrote:<o:p></o:p></div>
<div style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif">This
is a STABLE connection using Internode ADLS2+ Extreme Annex M in York St
Sydney<o:p></o:p></div>
<div style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif"><o:p></o:p></div>
<div style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif">This
is on a Linksys/Cisco WAG 160n<o:p></o:p></div>
<div style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif"><o:p></o:p></div>
<div style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif">Status:
Up<o:p></o:p></div>
<div style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif">Downstream
Rate: 23855 Kbps<o:p></o:p></div>
<div style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif">Upstream
Rate: 2691 Kbps<o:p></o:p></div>
<div style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif"></span><o:p></o:p></div>
<div style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif">It
doesent beat your 24xxx down but 2.69 up is very
good.</span><o:p></o:p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif"><br>It
would be VERY interesting to see what it synced at if you turn Annex M
mode off - Annex M 'steals' downstream channels and makes them upstream
channels, and it is the lower frequency channels, which contribute most
to the aggregate, that are most affected. Turning off "annex M mode" is
likely to push at least 1200 kbps or more back to the downstream - and
take the record!<br><br>(if you do try this, please get the customer's
permission
first!)<br><br>Paul.<o:p></o:p></p></div><span><ATT00001..txt></span></div></span></blockquote></div><br>
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<div>-- <br>Matthew Moyle-Croft</div>
<div>Peering Manager and Team Lead - Commercial and DSLAMs</div>
<div>Internode /Agile</div>
<div>Level 5, 162 Grenfell Street, Adelaide, SA 5000
Australia<br>Email: <a href="mailto:mmc@internode.com.au">mmc@internode.com.au</a>
Web: <a href="http://www.on.net/">http://www.on.net</a><br>Direct:
+61-8-8228-2909<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="WHITE-SPACE: pre">
</span><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="WHITE-SPACE: pre"></span> Mobile:
+61-419-900-366<br>Reception: +61-8-8228-2999
Fax:
+61-8-8235-6909</div></span></div></span></div><br></blockquote></div></blockquote></div><br>
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<div>-- <br>Matthew Moyle-Croft</div>
<div>Peering Manager and Team Lead - Commercial and DSLAMs</div>
<div>Internode /Agile</div>
<div>Level 5, 162 Grenfell Street, Adelaide, SA 5000
Australia<br>Email: <a href="mailto:mmc@internode.com.au">mmc@internode.com.au</a>
Web: <a href="http://www.on.net/">http://www.on.net</a><br>Direct:
+61-8-8228-2909<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="WHITE-SPACE: pre">
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+61-419-900-366<br>Reception: +61-8-8228-2999 Fax:
+61-8-8235-6909</div></span></div></span></div><br></div></blockquote></div>
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