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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I’m sure someone from APNIC will jump in here in a minute </span><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D'>J</span><span
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>If the record is under your administrative control and you are interested
in protecting your own interests (do you really want the world knowing who your
clients are?) and the privacy of your customers, I’d be switching all the
records over to private anyway, with just the SP umbrella hanging over the top.
If it’s that much of an issue for the other guy to kick up a stink, maybe
he/she should go and make their records private so you can’t see them? </span><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D'>J</span><span
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>That said, I think you will find regardless<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>[Querying whois.apnic.net]<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>[whois.apnic.net]<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>% [whois.apnic.net node-2]<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>% Whois data copyright terms http://www.apnic.net/db/dbcopyright.html<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><b><o:p> </o:p></b></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><b>^^^^^^^^<o:p></o:p></b></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>Note the link to copyright terms<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><a
href="http://www.apnic.net/apnic-info/whois_search2/about-whois/protecting-whois/copyright">http://www.apnic.net/apnic-info/whois_search2/about-whois/protecting-whois/copyright</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b>APNIC
Whois Database Acceptable Use Agreement<o:p></o:p></b></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>The APNIC Whois Database acceptable use agreement
explicitly states the parameters that copyright extends to:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b>Except for Internet operational purposes approved by
APNIC, no part of the APNIC whois data may be reproduced, stored in a retrieval
system, or transmitted, in any form or by any means, electronic, mechanical,
recording, or otherwise, without prior permission of APNIC on behalf of the
copyright holders. Any use of this material to target advertising or similar
activities is explicitly forbidden and will be prosecuted. APNIC requests to be
notified of any such activities or suspicions thereof.<o:p></o:p></b></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>If you apply for the bulk tools, which requires signing forms
etc, the exact same wording is used. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>... If I am recalling correctly(?), harvesting and re-using “copyright”
subscriber information from a DB, was the very angle a certain Telco took
against the greypages.ws website and the way they it represented subscriber
information sourced from various DB’s. Not unlike whois ??<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Kind regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net
[mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Shaun Dwyer<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 20 July 2010 4:07 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Karl Kloppenborg<br>
<b>Cc:</b> ausnog<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] APNIC WHOIS<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>If its available in the public whois database, its public
information. You can post it anywhere without fear of *successful* legal
proceedings ;)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>If they are doing something you think is bad or dishonest,
out them :D<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Cheers!<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>-Shaun<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On 20/07/2010, at 1:58 PM, Karl Kloppenborg wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Hey Noggers,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>this is probably just another silly question, but I am
having a dispute with someone over them claiming that whois information is
private information about their company and thus I can't post it anywhere I
want.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Ie, post the whois with a comment on a public domain /
forum.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>I claim that this is indeed public information and can be
used by anyone?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>However I thought before I make a total idiot out of myself
I would ask you just incase I am wrong and the details are infact
"Confidential"<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
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Cheers!<br>
Karl Kloppenborg</span></b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:#056100'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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