<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Just putting it out there enlight of this discussion, as well as a whois tool for the CMD / Console<div><br></div><div>Facebook application?<br><div apple-content-edited="true">
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line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div><b><br class="Apple-interchange-newline">Cheers!<br class="Apple-interchange-newline">Karl Kloppenborg</b></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#056100" size="1"><i><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(5, 97, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 9px; font-style: italic; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#056100" size="1"><i><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; "><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#056100" size="1"><i><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; "><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#1521F6"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; 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-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#056100" size="1"></font><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#056100" size="1"></font></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></span></span>
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</font></span></i></font></div></span></i></font></div></span></span></i></font></div></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></div><br><div><div>On 20/07/2010, at 17:09, Darren Moss wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">
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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="168560707-20072010"><font color="#0000ff" size="2" face="Arial">Cheers Karl.</font></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="168560707-20072010"><font color="#0000ff" size="2" face="Arial"></font></span> </div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="168560707-20072010"><font color="#0000ff" size="2" face="Arial">Now that's a great idea :)</font></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="168560707-20072010"><font color="#0000ff" size="2" face="Arial"></font></span> </div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="168560707-20072010"><font color="#0000ff" size="2" face="Arial">Imagine if we could create a validation register where parties
who used IP ranges must be authenticated or their traffic stops
routing.</font></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="168560707-20072010"><font color="#0000ff" size="2" face="Arial"></font></span> </div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="168560707-20072010"><font color="#0000ff" size="2" face="Arial">If only we could.</font></span></div>
<div> </div><p align="left"><font size="2" face="verdana">Regards, <br> <br> <br><strong>Darren
Moss<br></strong>General Manager<br>Australia and New Zealand<br>[p] 1300 131
083 [f] 03 9017 2287<br>[e] <a href="mailto:Darren.Moss@em3.com.au">Darren.Moss@em3.com.au</a> [w] <a href="http://www.em3.com.au/">www.em3.com.au</a></font><font face="verdana"><br><font size="2"><br> <br><strong>em3 People and Technology |
Managed Technology Experts<br></strong>postal: PO Box 2333, Moorabbin VIC
3189<br><br><strong>New Zealand</strong> Airedale Street, Auckland
City<br>postal: PO Box 39573, Howick 2045<br>[p] 09 887 0550 </font><font size="2" face="verdana">[f] 09 887 0273</font><font size="2"><br></font></font></p>
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<font size="2" face="Tahoma"><b>From:</b> Karl Kloppenborg [mailto:karl@karltec.net]
<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 20 July 2010 5:00 PM<br><b>To:</b> Darren
Moss<br><b>Cc:</b> p8x; <a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG]
APNIC WHOIS<br></font><br></div>
<div></div>I would be honoured to write a DB and portable C application for this
:D<br>
<div apple-content-edited="true"><span style="widows: 2; text-transform: none; text-indent: 0px; border-collapse: separate; font: normal normal normal medium/normal Helvetica; white-space: normal; orphans: 2; letter-spacing: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; " class="Apple-style-span"><span style="COLOR: rgb(21,33,246); FONT-SIZE: 12px" class="Apple-style-span"><span style="widows: 2; text-transform: none; text-indent: 0px; border-collapse: separate; font: normal normal normal medium/normal Helvetica; white-space: normal; orphans: 2; letter-spacing: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; " class="Apple-style-span"><span style="COLOR: rgb(21,33,246); FONT-SIZE: 12px" class="Apple-style-span"><span style="WIDOWS: 2; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; TEXT-INDENT: 0px; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; FONT: 12px Helvetica; WHITE-SPACE: normal; ORPHANS: 2; LETTER-SPACING: normal; COLOR: rgb(21,33,246); WORD-SPACING: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px" class="Apple-style-span"><span style="WIDOWS: 2; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; TEXT-INDENT: 0px; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; FONT: italic 9px Helvetica; WHITE-SPACE: normal; ORPHANS: 2; LETTER-SPACING: normal; COLOR: rgb(5,97,0); WORD-SPACING: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px" class="Apple-style-span"><span style="WIDOWS: 2; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; TEXT-INDENT: 0px; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; FONT: italic 9px Helvetica; WHITE-SPACE: normal; ORPHANS: 2; LETTER-SPACING: normal; COLOR: rgb(5,97,0); WORD-SPACING: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px" class="Apple-style-span"><span style="widows: 2; text-transform: none; text-indent: 0px; border-collapse: separate; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; white-space: normal; orphans: 2; letter-spacing: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; " class="Apple-style-span">
<div><b><br class="Apple-interchange-newline">Cheers!<br class="Apple-interchange-newline">Karl Kloppenborg</b></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#056100"><span style="FONT-SIZE: x-small" class="Apple-style-span"><i><font class="Apple-style-span" size="3"><span style="FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-SIZE: 12px" class="Apple-style-span"><br></span></font></i></span></font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#056100" size="1"><i><span style="WIDOWS: 2; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; TEXT-INDENT: 0px; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; FONT: italic 9px Helvetica; WHITE-SPACE: normal; ORPHANS: 2; LETTER-SPACING: normal; COLOR: rgb(5,97,0); WORD-SPACING: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px" class="Apple-style-span"><span style="widows: 2; text-transform: none; text-indent: 0px; border-collapse: separate; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; white-space: normal; orphans: 2; letter-spacing: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; " class="Apple-style-span">
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#056100" size="1"><i><span style="font-style: normal; font-size: 12px; " class="Apple-style-span">
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#056100" size="1"><i><span style="font-style: normal; font-size: 12px; " class="Apple-style-span">
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#1521f6"><span style="widows: 2; text-transform: none; text-indent: 0px; border-collapse: separate; font: normal normal normal medium/normal Helvetica; white-space: normal; orphans: 2; letter-spacing: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; " class="Apple-style-span"><span style="FONT-STYLE: italic; COLOR: rgb(5,97,0); FONT-SIZE: 9px" class="Apple-style-span"><span style="WIDOWS: 2; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; TEXT-INDENT: 0px; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; FONT: italic 9px Helvetica; WHITE-SPACE: normal; ORPHANS: 2; LETTER-SPACING: normal; COLOR: rgb(5,97,0); WORD-SPACING: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px" class="Apple-style-span"><span style="widows: 2; text-transform: none; text-indent: 0px; border-collapse: separate; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; white-space: normal; orphans: 2; letter-spacing: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; " class="Apple-style-span"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#056100" size="1"></font><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#056100" size="1"></font></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></span></span></font></div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#1521f6"></font></span></i></font></div></span></i></font></div></span></span></i></font></div></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></div><br>
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<div>On 20/07/2010, at 16:46, Darren Moss wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline">
<blockquote type="cite">
<div><br>If only the database was actually properly maintained and you *could*
find contacts for troublesome hosts.<br><br>I have lost count of the number of
networks we've blocked because the contact information is stale or
wrong.<br><br>I suggested many times to APNIC that they have some method of
ensuring contact information was up to date - ie: as part of IP Allocation to
members - but they were not interested. <br><br>If not APNIC, who should /
could do this ?<br><br><br>Regards, <br><br><br>Darren Moss<br>General
Manager<br>Australia and New Zealand<br>[p] 1300 131 083 [f] 03 9017
2287<br>[e] <a href="mailto:Darren.Moss@em3.com.au">Darren.Moss@em3.com.au</a>
[w] <a href="http://www.em3.com.au/">www.em3.com.au</a><br><br>em3 People and
Technology | Managed Technology Experts<br>postal: PO Box 2333, Moorabbin VIC
3189<br><br>New Zealand Airedale Street, Auckland City<br>postal: PO Box
39573, Howick 2045<br>[p] 09 887 0550 [f] 09 887 0273<br><br><br>-----Original
Message-----<br>From: <a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>
[mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of p8x<br>Sent: Tuesday, 20
July 2010 4:12 PM<br>To: <a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br>Subject:
Re: [AusNOG] APNIC WHOIS<br><br>I would say you are fine.<br><br>On the APNIC
whois page:<br><br>"The APNIC Whois Database is a publicly searchable database
detailing address usage within the Asia Pacific region. The results of any
search are provided purely for operational purposes (such as finding the
authoritative contact for a troublesome machine) and are not to be used for
commercial or marketing purposes." [1]<br><br>On the privacy
page:<br><br>"Some of the personal information you provide may be publicly
registered in the APNIC Whois Database. This is limited to contact details
relating to the allocation of specific public Internet
resources.<br><br>Please note that in relation to these network contact
details, the APNIC Whois Database allows organizations to register "role
objects" in place of personal details." [2]<br><br>It sounds a little odd that
they would think the whois data is private. <br>I wonder if they have fake
whois data on their domains.<br><br>[1]: <a href="http://www.apnic.net/apnic-info/whois_search2/using-whois">http://www.apnic.net/apnic-info/whois_search2/using-whois</a><br>[2]:
<a href="http://www.apnic.net/apnic-info/privacy">http://www.apnic.net/apnic-info/privacy</a>
[Section 2.1]<br><br><br>On 20/07/2010 1:58 PM, Karl Kloppenborg wrote:<br>
<blockquote type="cite">Hey Noggers,<br></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">this is probably just another silly question, but I
am having a <br></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">dispute with someone over them claiming that whois
information is <br></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">private information about their company and thus I
can't post it anywhere I want.<br></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">Ie, post the whois with a comment on a public domain
/ forum.<br></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">I claim that this is indeed public information and
can be used by anyone?<br></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">However I thought before I make a total idiot out of
myself I would <br></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">ask you just incase I am wrong and the details are
infact "Confidential"<br></blockquote>
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<blockquote type="cite">*<br></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">Cheers!<br></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">Karl Kloppenborg*<br></blockquote>
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