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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net
[mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Andrew E<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 8 July 2010 5:00 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Chris Pollock<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <ausnog@ausnog.net><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] What are we , collectively, doing about the
impending mandatatory censorship scheme?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>I was watching V for Vendetta last night. What is fictional
in that movie is becoming a reality here in aus (monitoring all communications,
blacklists, etc...)<br>
<br>
Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></p>
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On 08/07/2010, at 3:26 PM, "Chris Pollock" <<a
href="mailto:Chris.Pollock@staff.pipenetworks.com">Chris.Pollock@staff.pipenetworks.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>IMO
the the two things are different halves of the same plan, as Bevan touched on
some weeks ago.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>- implement a filtering system which checks every URL
entered by every Australian<br>
- implement a data retention system for all ISP's to maintain substantial
information about user internet and communication history<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>- implement a single national broadband network<br>
- remove AusCERT and establish Government run CERT<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>So
they'd own/run the network, track what you do on it, only allow you access to
the things they want you to see, and then control the threat
response. I hope the Telescreen can view YouTube videos.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Sounds
like a recipe to take control of the Internet to me. I'll happily kill
the NBN if it means killing the filter. The last five houses I've lived
in have had over 16mbps down and 1meg up, I haven't had a problem with
Internet access speed since dialup in 2001. And those edge cases that
can't get any decent speeds aren't even going to be serviced by the NBN anyway,
USO Corp will be taking the Universal Service Obligation customers
off Telstra's hands.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>You
don't have to look at many heat maps to realise that getting acceptable
broadband speed to the majority of homes is NOT the real goal of the
NBN. Losing it isn't just collateral damage, it's cutting off two
heads of the same hydra.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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"Arial","sans-serif"'>--<br>
Chris Pollock<br>
Technical & Install Manager<br>
PIPE Networks Limited</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a
href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>
[mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Andrew Oskam<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 8 July 2010 1:49 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Skeeve Stevens<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net">ausnog@ausnog.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] What are we , collectively,doing about the
impending mandatatory censorship scheme?</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>I'm in the same boat as you Skeeve - my thoughts exactly<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>I just can't justify the loss
of the NBN.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>-------------<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Andrew Oskam<o:p></o:p></p>
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On 08/07/2010, at 12:54 AM, Skeeve Stevens <<a
href="mailto:Skeeve@eintellego.net">Skeeve@eintellego.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Honestly,
I am a Labor voter... well... was... not sure now.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>If
Abbot hadn’t said he was going to scrap the NBN, I would be voting for the
Liberals... bring back Turnbull... I liked him </span><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D'>L</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>...Skeeve</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#002060'>--</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#002060'>Skeeve
Stevens, CEO/Technical Director</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#002060'>eintellego
Pty Ltd - The Networking Specialists</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#002060'><a
href="mailto:skeeve@eintellego.net">skeeve@eintellego.net</a> / <a
href="http://www.eintellego.net">www.eintellego.net</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#002060'>Phone:
1300 753 383, Fax: (+612) 8572 9954</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#002060'>Cell
+61 (0)414 753 383 / skype://skeeve</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#002060'><a
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#002060'>--</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#002060'>NOC,
NOC, who's there?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a
href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>
[mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Matthew
Moyle-Croft<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 8 July 2010 12:48 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Phillip Grasso<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Skeeve Stevens; <a href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net">ausnog@ausnog.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] What are we , collectively, doing about the
impending mandatatory censorship scheme?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Senate
seats might hurt them, but ask yourself this:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>What
do you know about the Opposition's views on the filter? If Labor lose
will it mean scraping the idea or claiming it as their own to claim the same
voting block?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>If
the Opposition support it and so do Labor then the minorities are irrelevant in
the Senate.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>MMC<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On
07/07/2010, at 11:55 PM, Phillip Grasso wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><br>
<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>you
raise good points, let me say this;<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Senate
Seats. Hit them where it hurts. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>my
back of envelope count is that we'll need 338K votes to get 1 senate
seat.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'>1 Senate
seat will probably be enough to do damage to a filtering program, especially
when they would want to do deals to get other things across (assuming they
don't have an overwhelming majority) <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On
Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 12:11 AM, Matthew Moyle-Croft <<a
href="mailto:mmc@internode.com.au">mmc@internode.com.au</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>
On 07/07/2010, at 11:22 PM, Phillip Grasso wrote:<br>
<br>
> its been pretty clear what Google position all along. Why else do you
think Conroy has it in for Google.<br>
><br>
> The problem is that not enough 'outcry' from the industry is there, so
Conroy is free to say he's got the support of the industry, with a possibly few
big players in his back pocket due to NBN, he can say things such as 'industry
consultation/support' etc.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'>I think
we could be super organised, with a huge media budget and the Fed Govt wouldn't
change their mind before the election.<br>
<br>
If they did change their mind then the opposition would just use it to show (a)
they're backing down and not delivering on YET another policy (b) not tough on
Child Pornography (c) not protecting our kids. Which ever of the
arguments works the best for TonyA at the time.<br>
<br>
This isn't a rational argument. It's clear the Conroy isn't interested in
rational arguments. The whole proposal is laughable (heck, I've just
come back from the US where we ARE a joke because of this - most people think
it's already running!), but still, the telecommunications industry is a poor
block of votes compared to keeping the conservative Christian lobby on side
(the people who want this).<br>
<br>
The focus really needs to be on these things:<br>
<br>
If Labor is reelected will they claim they have a mandate to implement the
filter (even if no one voted Labor because of it). Or will it die as a
"non-core promise" if Conroy is moved on as telecommunications
minister?<br>
<br>
If the Liberals are elected instead, what will they do? Will they show
sanity and kill it (small-l liberal) or be beholden to the same conservative
Christian lobby who have convinced Labor it's a good idea.<br>
<br>
Labor, as above, can't be and won't be able to chance their minds before the
election. The question is - will this be an election issue or will we be
back to beating up on the vunerable and non-voting refugees again like the
tough people we are. (Must remind Christians like TonyA about what
Christianity is about - seem to remember a few bits from the Bible from Sunday
school and Jesus embracing everyone and looking after the poor and destitute,
not just some of them - anyway, offtopic).<br>
<span style='color:#888888'><br>
MMC</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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