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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I say out the provider who is already practicing censorship!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>...Skeeve<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#002060'>Skeeve Stevens, CEO/Technical Director<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#002060'>eintellego Pty Ltd - The Networking Specialists<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#002060'>skeeve@eintellego.net / www.eintellego.net<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#002060'>Phone: 1300 753 383, Fax: (+612) 8572 9954<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#002060'>Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 / skype://skeeve<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#002060'>www.linkedin.com/in/skeeve ; facebook.com/eintellego<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#002060'>NOC, NOC, who's there?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> pete@kernelpicnic.net
[mailto:pete@kernelpicnic.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Peter Adkins<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 8 July 2010 12:07 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Phillip Grasso<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Skeeve Stevens; ausnog@ausnog.net<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] What are we , collectively, doing about the
impending mandatatory censorship scheme?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>I think one of the major issues which you may come across is
the reluctance, from a PR standpoint, for a company to oppose the filter in the
public arena. iiNet are the only major provider which I am aware that have
done so (however I may be wrong here), other than that it seems to be people
working independently. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Unfortunately, I'm aware of at least one provider which
notified their staff that they were NOT to comment on the filtering situation
in the public arena -- fearing that it may come back as the companies opinion
on the situation -- even to the point of trying to prevent their staff from
voicing their opinion on social networking sites.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>It seems that some providers would rather the issue be
fought for them, rather than taking hold of the situation.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 11:22 PM, Phillip Grasso <<a
href="mailto:phillip.grasso@gmail.com" target="_blank">phillip.grasso@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>its been pretty clear what Google position all along. Why
else do you think Conroy has it in for Google. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>The problem is that not enough 'outcry' from the industry is
there, so Conroy is free to say he's got the support of the industry, with a
possibly few big players in his back pocket due to NBN, he can say things such
as 'industry consultation/support' etc.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>How many Telco/ISP are there in Australia, and how many
would decree publicly they do not support filtering/censorship?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>If we get a big enough list, that will immediately be media
worthy, so every time it is mentioned in the press, we have a hard stat on how
many of the ISP/Telcos actually support this scheme. Yes Conroy will dismiss
it, but its yet another salvo. <insert reputable organisation to represent
us>.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Until we get an industry group together, I'm happy to
collate that information, so if your organisation is willing to join the list
(at the moment, its just a list opposing the filter). Please send me a private
message so I can gather the details.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 11:31 PM, Skeeve Stevens <<a
href="mailto:Skeeve@eintellego.net" target="_blank">Skeeve@eintellego.net</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Phillip... </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>We know Google is against filtering...
but are they willing to come out if heavy support and promotion of this fight
? They do have the media’s ear.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>...Skeeve</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='color:#002060'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#002060'>--</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#002060'>Skeeve Stevens, CEO/Technical Director</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#002060'>eintellego Pty Ltd - The Networking
Specialists</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#002060'><a href="mailto:skeeve@eintellego.net"
target="_blank">skeeve@eintellego.net</a> / <a href="http://www.eintellego.net"
target="_blank">www.eintellego.net</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#002060'>Phone: 1300 753 383, Fax: (+612) 8572
9954</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#002060'>Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 / skype://skeeve</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#002060'><a
href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/skeeve" target="_blank">www.linkedin.com/in/skeeve</a>
; <a href="http://facebook.com/eintellego" target="_blank">facebook.com/eintellego</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#002060'>--</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#002060'>NOC, NOC, who's there?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.0pt'> <a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net"
target="_blank">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a> [mailto:<a
href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Phillip Grasso<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 7 July 2010 11:28 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Phil Pierotti<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog@ausnog.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] What are we , collectively, doing about the
impending mandatatory censorship scheme?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I
think the first thing we need to do is organise ourselves, either working with
existing efforts (preference) or forming our own small working groups. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>To
this end, i'm thinking about hosting a gathering next Wednesday evening in
Sydney to strategize our next steps. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>If
your keen, please contact me off-list.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On
Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 10:39 PM, Phil Pierotti <<a
href="mailto:phil.pierotti@platformnetworks.net" target="_blank">phil.pierotti@platformnetworks.net</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>So
the obvious question(s) not being asked include:<br>
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(1) Will there be a piece/feature/segment in The Program for AusNOG04 regarding
-> The Impending Censorship Program and What Can/Are/Will We , As An
Industry, Do About It?<br>
(2) Will many-and-various media-presences be requested to record the
proceedings (and, ideally, report on such)<br>
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And yes, (1) is obviously and clearly a Network Operations issue.<br>
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If we do or at least *achieve* nothing, then it will have significant
operational consequences amounting to non-trivial financial impact.<br>
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Phil P<o:p></o:p></p>
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