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size=2>IMO the the two things are different halves of the same plan, as Bevan
touched on some weeks ago.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=044434904-08072010>- implement a filtering
system which checks every URL entered by every Australian<BR>- implement a data
retention system for all ISP's to maintain substantial information about user
internet and communication history</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=044434904-08072010>- implement a single
national broadband network<BR>- remove AusCERT and establish Government run
CERT</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=044434904-08072010><FONT face=Arial size=2>So they'd own/run
the network, track what you do on it, only allow you access to the things they
want you to see, and then control the threat response. I hope the
Telescreen can view YouTube videos.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=044434904-08072010><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sounds like a recipe
to take control of the Internet to me. I'll happily kill the NBN if it
means killing the filter. The last five houses I've lived in have had over
16mbps down and 1meg up, I haven't had a problem with Internet access speed
since dialup in 2001. And those edge cases that can't get any decent
speeds aren't even going to be serviced by the NBN anyway, USO Corp will
be taking the Universal Service Obligation customers off Telstra's
hands.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=044434904-08072010><FONT face=Arial size=2>You don't have to
look at many heat maps to realise that getting acceptable broadband speed to the
majority of homes is NOT the real goal of the NBN. Losing it isn't
just collateral damage, it's cutting off two heads of the same
hydra.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net
[mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Andrew
Oskam<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, 8 July 2010 1:49 AM<BR><B>To:</B> Skeeve
Stevens<BR><B>Cc:</B> ausnog@ausnog.net<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [AusNOG] What
are we , collectively,doing about the impending mandatatory censorship
scheme?<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV>I'm in the same boat as you Skeeve - my thoughts exactly</DIV>
<DIV>I just can't justify the loss of the NBN.<BR><BR>
<DIV>Sent from my iPhone</DIV>
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<DIV>Andrew Oskam</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR>On 08/07/2010, at 12:54 AM, Skeeve Stevens <<A
href="mailto:Skeeve@eintellego.net">Skeeve@eintellego.net</A>>
wrote:<BR><BR></DIV>
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I am a Labor voter... well... was... not sure now.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">If
Abbot hadn’t said he was going to scrap the NBN, I would be voting for the
Liberals... bring back Turnbull... I liked him </SPAN><SPAN
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #002060; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Skeeve
Stevens, CEO/Technical Director<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"> <A
href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</A>
[mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Matthew
Moyle-Croft<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, 8 July 2010 12:48 AM<BR><B>To:</B>
Phillip Grasso<BR><B>Cc:</B> Skeeve Stevens; <A
href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net"><A
href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net">ausnog@ausnog.net</A></A><BR><B>Subject:</B>
Re: [AusNOG] What are we , collectively, doing about the impending
mandatatory censorship scheme?<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><O:P></O:P></P>
<P class=MsoNormal>Senate seats might hurt them, but ask yourself
this:<O:P></O:P></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>What do you know about the Opposition's views on the
filter? If Labor lose will it mean scraping the idea or claiming it
as their own to claim the same voting block?<O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>If the Opposition support it and so do Labor then the
minorities are irrelevant in the Senate.<O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>MMC<O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><O:P></O:P></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal>On 07/07/2010, at 11:55 PM, Phillip Grasso
wrote:<O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><BR><BR><O:P></O:P></P>
<P class=MsoNormal>you raise good points, let me say this;<O:P></O:P></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>Senate Seats. Hit them where it
hurts. <O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>my back of envelope count is that we'll need
338K votes to get 1 senate seat.<O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt">1 Senate seat will probably
be enough to do damage to a filtering program, especially when they would
want to do deals to get other things across (assuming they don't have an
overwhelming majority) <O:P></O:P></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 12:11 AM, Matthew Moyle-Croft
<<A href="mailto:mmc@internode.com.au"><A
href="mailto:mmc@internode.com.au">mmc@internode.com.au</A></A>>
wrote:<O:P></O:P></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><BR>On 07/07/2010, at 11:22
PM, Phillip Grasso wrote:<BR><BR>> its been pretty clear what Google
position all along. Why else do you think Conroy has it in for
Google.<BR>><BR>> The problem is that not enough 'outcry' from the
industry is there, so Conroy is free to say he's got the support of the
industry, with a possibly few big players in his back pocket due to NBN, he
can say things such as 'industry consultation/support'
etc.<O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt">I think we could be super
organised, with a huge media budget and the Fed Govt wouldn't change their
mind before the election.<BR><BR>If they did change their mind then the
opposition would just use it to show (a) they're backing down and not
delivering on YET another policy (b) not tough on Child Pornography (c) not
protecting our kids. Which ever of the arguments works the best for
TonyA at the time.<BR><BR>This isn't a rational argument. It's clear
the Conroy isn't interested in rational arguments. The whole proposal
is laughable (heck, I've just come back from the US where we ARE a joke
because of this - most people think it's already running!), but still, the
telecommunications industry is a poor block of votes compared to keeping the
conservative Christian lobby on side (the people who want this).<BR><BR>The
focus really needs to be on these things:<BR><BR>If Labor is reelected will
they claim they have a mandate to implement the filter (even if no one voted
Labor because of it). Or will it die as a "non-core promise" if
Conroy is moved on as telecommunications minister?<BR><BR>If the Liberals
are elected instead, what will they do? Will they show sanity and
kill it (small-l liberal) or be beholden to the same conservative Christian
lobby who have convinced Labor it's a good idea.<BR><BR>Labor, as above,
can't be and won't be able to chance their minds before the election.
The question is - will this be an election issue or will we be back to
beating up on the vunerable and non-voting refugees again like the tough
people we are. (Must remind Christians like TonyA about what
Christianity is about - seem to remember a few bits from the Bible from
Sunday school and Jesus embracing everyone and looking after the poor and
destitute, not just some of them - anyway, offtopic).<BR><SPAN
style="COLOR: #888888"><BR>MMC</SPAN><O:P></O:P></P></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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