<html><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>I award mark with +100 interwebs. Great comment.<br><br><div>Sent from my iPhone</div><div>-------------</div><div>Andrew Oskam</div></div><div><br>On 08/07/2010, at 12:29 AM, Skeeve Stevens <<a href="mailto:Skeeve@eintellego.net">Skeeve@eintellego.net</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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color:#1F497D"><a href="http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/gillard-to-stick-with-web-filter-despite-disquiet-20100707-100qe.html"><a href="http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/gillard-to-stick-with-web-filter-despite-disquiet-20100707-100qe.html">http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/gillard-to-stick-with-web-filter-despite-disquiet-20100707-100qe.html</a></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Phillip Grasso
[mailto:phillip.grasso@gmail.com] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 8 July 2010 12:26 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Matthew Moyle-Croft<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Skeeve Stevens; <a href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net"><a href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net">ausnog@ausnog.net</a></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] What are we , collectively, doing about the
impending mandatatory censorship scheme?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">you raise good points, let me say this;<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">my back of envelope count is that we'll need 338K
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">1 Senate seat will probably be
enough to do damage to a filtering program, especially when they would want to
do deals to get other things across (assuming they don't have an overwhelming
majority) <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 12:11 AM, Matthew Moyle-Croft <<a href="mailto:mmc@internode.com.au"><a href="mailto:mmc@internode.com.au">mmc@internode.com.au</a></a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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On 07/07/2010, at 11:22 PM, Phillip Grasso wrote:<br>
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> its been pretty clear what Google position all along. Why else do you
think Conroy has it in for Google.<br>
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> The problem is that not enough 'outcry' from the industry is there, so
Conroy is free to say he's got the support of the industry, with a possibly few
big players in his back pocket due to NBN, he can say things such as 'industry
consultation/support' etc.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">I think we could be super
organised, with a huge media budget and the Fed Govt wouldn't change their mind
before the election.<br>
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If they did change their mind then the opposition would just use it to show (a)
they're backing down and not delivering on YET another policy (b) not tough on
Child Pornography (c) not protecting our kids. Which ever of the
arguments works the best for TonyA at the time.<br>
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This isn't a rational argument. It's clear the Conroy isn't interested in
rational arguments. The whole proposal is laughable (heck, I've just
come back from the US where we ARE a joke because of this - most people think
it's already running!), but still, the telecommunications industry is a poor block
of votes compared to keeping the conservative Christian lobby on side (the
people who want this).<br>
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The focus really needs to be on these things:<br>
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If Labor is reelected will they claim they have a mandate to implement the
filter (even if no one voted Labor because of it). Or will it die as a
"non-core promise" if Conroy is moved on as telecommunications
minister?<br>
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If the Liberals are elected instead, what will they do? Will they show
sanity and kill it (small-l liberal) or be beholden to the same conservative
Christian lobby who have convinced Labor it's a good idea.<br>
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Labor, as above, can't be and won't be able to chance their minds before the
election. The question is - will this be an election issue or will we be
back to beating up on the vunerable and non-voting refugees again like the
tough people we are. (Must remind Christians like TonyA about what
Christianity is about - seem to remember a few bits from the Bible from Sunday
school and Jesus embracing everyone and looking after the poor and destitute,
not just some of them - anyway, offtopic).<br>
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MMC<br>
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