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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=009142211-07072010><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial>Hi Noggers,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=009142211-07072010><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=009142211-07072010><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial>Julia Gillard follows one of our brands.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=009142211-07072010><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=009142211-07072010><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial>I have sent her a direct message:</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=009142211-07072010><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=009142211-07072010><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial>"Julia, Grave concerns for internet filter as it can be easily
bypassed at large cost to our industry. Pls work with us to avoid a
disaster."</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=009142211-07072010><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial>It's
time start making noise my fellow industry peers.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=009142211-07072010><FONT color=#0000ff size=2
face=Arial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=009142211-07072010><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial>Please
start tweeting, blogging and talking about this on your websites and forums.
Update your email signature. Define a simple message that people will
understand.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=009142211-07072010><FONT color=#0000ff size=2
face=Arial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=009142211-07072010><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial>But be
clear about why this won't work - my opinion is:</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=009142211-07072010><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial>"The
filter will be a huge cost impost on the our industry which provides internet
services to Australian businesses and families, yet the public will quickly
learn how to work around it. The net result is a massive spend on infrastructure
and software that will quickly become a white elephant."
(sic).</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=009142211-07072010><FONT color=#0000ff size=2
face=Arial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=009142211-07072010><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial>I am
sure if enough people post their input regarding the impact of an internet
filter (not rhetoric or emotive comments, not ways to work around the filter,
not porn or inappropriate content related) we can at least have this information
publicised through the media on this list and via the public
archive.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=009142211-07072010><FONT color=#0000ff size=2
face=Arial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=009142211-07072010><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial>If we
all do something, our industry will be heard. How many people on this list? How
many people can provide at least 1 contribution ?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=009142211-07072010><FONT color=#0000ff size=2
face=Arial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=009142211-07072010><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial>I have
a media and broadcast background and would be happy to record something if this
helps.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=009142211-07072010><FONT color=#0000ff size=2
face=Arial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<P align=left><FONT size=2
face=verdana>Regards, <BR> <BR> <BR><STRONG>Darren
Moss<BR></STRONG>General Manager<BR>Australia and New Zealand<BR>[p] 1300 131
083 [f] 03 9017 2287<BR>[e] <A
href="mailto:Darren.Moss@em3.com.au">Darren.Moss@em3.com.au</A> [w] <A
href="http://www.em3.com.au/">www.em3.com.au</A></FONT><FONT
face=verdana><BR><FONT size=2><BR> <BR><STRONG>em3 People and Technology |
Managed Technology Experts<BR></STRONG>postal: PO Box 2333, Moorabbin VIC
3189<BR><BR><STRONG>New Zealand</STRONG> Airedale Street, Auckland
City<BR>postal: PO Box 39573, Howick 2045<BR>[p] 09 887 0550 </FONT><FONT size=2
face=verdana>[f] 09 887 0273</FONT><FONT size=2><BR></FONT></FONT></P>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV><BR>
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<FONT size=2 face=Tahoma><B>From:</B> ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net
[mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Bevan
Slattery<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, 7 July 2010 9:15 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Phillip
Grasso; ausnog@ausnog.net<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [AusNOG] Australian Censorship
program to go ahead - Gillard supports a the great firewall<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Hi
Phil,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">I
have to agree with your view. As an industry we are all really upset by
this, but yet we do nothing substantial about it. The Internet industry
has access to every single eye-ball that access the internet here, yet we do not
seem to harness the power that provides.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Additionally,
as an industry we must become more understanding of the international
reputational damage has been caused by recent policy decisions by the Australian
Government. Filtering and Mandatory data retention being the two (2) most
damaging.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">With
the Web becoming ‘the Cloud’ these impacts are going to become more
apparent. After years of fighting to get major content/caching delivery
networks to establish clusters here in Australia my recent discussions at ITW
with some of the larger content providers was starting to reflect a change in
mood. Over the past 5 years bandwidth costs to establish clusters in
Australia was the problem. That (to a large degree) has been
resolved. But the issue that is raising it’s head is that content
providers no longer see Australia as a rational and safe place to store user
data. They see the decisions of the Australian Government as a Sovereign
Risk compared with other Governments within our region.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">It
is entirely likely that unless Australia develops a users “Bill of Rights”
around privacy and a less totalitarian regime to access user data (like the good
old days when you used to need a court order from a Magistrate), then I fear
that substantial content networks will continue to shun Australia as a major hub
for application and content delivery (other than mere dumb/algorithm
caching).<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">I
actually agree with the principle of keeping some user data (authentication
etc.), however numerous law enforcement agencies have continually eroded the
right to natural justice by the introduction of closed evidence, uncontestable
evidence, obtaining information without warrant signed of by independent third
party capable of understanding justice (being magistrate) and more concerning
retaining this data will also mean this information is now open to discovery in
non-criminal matters and data matching/profiling and abuse for
personal/commercial/political gain. ***See David Campbell in NSW***.
The continual scope creep into more powers for law enforcement agencies directly
correlates with the erosion of natural justice and the rights of
individuals.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">I
honestly think the focus should be on a citizens online rights, particularly
surrounding privacy. That is the great challenge of this decade and
actually the digital era. Because those organisations that wish to respect
these rights will not host those content and applications in this
country.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">What
are we going to do?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN-US>From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=EN-US>
ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net [mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net] <B>On
Behalf Of </B>Phillip Grasso<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, 7 July 2010 8:11
PM<BR><B>To:</B> ausnog@ausnog.net<BR><B>Subject:</B> [AusNOG] Australian
Censorship program to go ahead - Gillardsupports a the great
firewall<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal>labor Prime minister Gillard supports Internet
censorship, <o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><A
href="http://www.theaustralian.com.au/australian-it/filtering-legislation-on-the-way/story-e6frgakx-1225889109550">http://www.theaustralian.com.au/australian-it/filtering-legislation-on-the-way/story-e6frgakx-1225889109550</A><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>By all likelihood due to inaction by us and the technology
community, we will be paving the way to a censorship regime in Australia by
this year. <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>I am interested to know who in the ISP community is
supporting this plan? Obviously someone is talking to Conroys office, I don't
think he'll still try to go ahead without the support of the big boys? (or is
there back room deals going on with NBN?)<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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