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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Just to clarify.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I am NOT a supporter of the Pirate Party. I like what they
stand for, I just find the name of the party id stupid and counterproductive and
gives people the impression that they are in favour of illegal downloads or counterfeiting
software... and I don’t believe they will ever be taken seriously with a
party name like that. If they had a proper name they’d get a lot
further.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>.</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>..Skeeve<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#002060'>--<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#002060'>Skeeve Stevens, CEO/Technical Director<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#002060'>eintellego Pty Ltd - The Networking Specialists<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#002060'>skeeve@eintellego.net / www.eintellego.net<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#002060'>Phone: 1300 753 383, Fax: (+612) 8572 9954<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#002060'>Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 / skype://skeeve<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#002060'>www.linkedin.com/in/skeeve ; facebook.com/eintellego<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#002060'>--<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#002060'>NOC, NOC, who's there?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net
[mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Skeeve Stevens<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 7 July 2010 11:17 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Bevan Slattery; Phillip Grasso; ausnog@ausnog.net<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Australian Censorship program to go ahead -
Gillard supports a the great firewall<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><rant><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Because on the whole Australians are lazy who don’t get
off their ass and just assume that ‘someone else’ will do what
needs to be done... which is rarely true. If this country didn’t
have mandatory voting you’d be lucky to have a 25% turnout.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>How many of us are members of ISOC-AU, Comms Alliance or other
groups? And if you are – attend meetings and actually get involved?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>This industry is also the same for the most part. When we
were trying to get James Spenceley elected to APNIC EC – we had a
pathetic response, and even worse trying to get Jonny Martin elected at the
last APNIC meeting (thanks to those who did make the effort). I am amazed
how many people just wasted their votes because spending 5 minutes to fill out
a form was too hard. We just don’t seem to be bothered being able
to spend a small amount of time doing something to help our own situation.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Imagine if a LOT of ISP’s agreed on an ‘Internet
Black Out Day’ – where we gave a couple of weeks notice and then
for a whole day or just hours, shutdown ALL user connectivity – that would
be front page everywhere... and let people know WHY – because the
government was wanting to censor the internet. If you affected tens of
thousands of people for a period it would turn a lot of people against the
government and create a lot of awareness. But do you think we would/could
be brave enough to take such a drastic action? Doubtful.... We’re not
that brave enough to get out of our comfort zone – we have shareholders
and boards and customers we can’t possibly upset. I doubt too many
people would leave if they understood why we did it. Since when was
something worth fighting for without some cost?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>So what will we be brave enough to do? Bitch a little bit on
mailing lists? Maybe a blog here and there? Wow, lets twitter or set our
Facebook status! That will make a load of difference.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>What we need to do is yell at the organisations that are
supposed to be representing us... get them to use everything they have at their
disposal to cause a lot of noise... press releases, TV, meeting with
MP’s, get lawyers involved who have a clue... or whoever. A call to
action is needed.... but what we will do in the end.... probably not much...
but I really hope I am proved wrong.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>The Pirate Party has formed in Australia... why not a new party
for ‘Internet User Rights’ Party... or back a party (even the
Liberals if they don’t kill off the NBN) – someone... anything.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'></rant><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#002060'>That
said, I love you all – peace out ;-)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#002060'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>...Skeeve<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#002060'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#002060'>--<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#002060'>Skeeve Stevens, CEO/Technical Director<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#002060'>eintellego Pty Ltd - The Networking Specialists<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#002060'>skeeve@eintellego.net / www.eintellego.net<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#002060'>Phone: 1300 753 383, Fax: (+612) 8572 9954<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#002060'>Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 / skype://skeeve<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#002060'>www.linkedin.com/in/skeeve ; facebook.com/eintellego<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#002060'>--<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#002060'>NOC, NOC, who's there?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net
[mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Bevan Slattery<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 7 July 2010 9:15 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Phillip Grasso; ausnog@ausnog.net<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Australian Censorship program to go ahead -
Gillard supports a the great firewall<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Hi Phil,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I have to agree with your view. As an industry we are all
really upset by this, but yet we do nothing substantial about it. The
Internet industry has access to every single eye-ball that access the internet
here, yet we do not seem to harness the power that provides.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Additionally, as an industry we must become more understanding
of the international reputational damage has been caused by recent policy
decisions by the Australian Government. Filtering and Mandatory data
retention being the two (2) most damaging.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>With the Web becoming ‘the Cloud’ these impacts are
going to become more apparent. After years of fighting to get major
content/caching delivery networks to establish clusters here in Australia my
recent discussions at ITW with some of the larger content providers was
starting to reflect a change in mood. Over the past 5 years bandwidth
costs to establish clusters in Australia was the problem. That (to a
large degree) has been resolved. But the issue that is raising it’s
head is that content providers no longer see Australia as a rational and safe
place to store user data. They see the decisions of the Australian
Government as a Sovereign Risk compared with other Governments within our region.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>It is entirely likely that unless Australia develops a users
“Bill of Rights” around privacy and a less totalitarian regime to
access user data (like the good old days when you used to need a court order
from a Magistrate), then I fear that substantial content networks will continue
to shun Australia as a major hub for application and content delivery (other
than mere dumb/algorithm caching).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I actually agree with the principle of keeping some user data
(authentication etc.), however numerous law enforcement agencies have
continually eroded the right to natural justice by the introduction of closed
evidence, uncontestable evidence, obtaining information without warrant signed
of by independent third party capable of understanding justice (being
magistrate) and more concerning retaining this data will also mean this
information is now open to discovery in non-criminal matters and data
matching/profiling and abuse for personal/commercial/political gain.
***See David Campbell in NSW***. The continual scope creep into more
powers for law enforcement agencies directly correlates with the erosion of
natural justice and the rights of individuals.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I honestly think the focus should be on a citizens online
rights, particularly surrounding privacy. That is the great challenge of
this decade and actually the digital era. Because those organisations
that wish to respect these rights will not host those content and applications
in this country.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>What are we going to do?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>[b]<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net [mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Phillip Grasso<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 7 July 2010 8:11 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> ausnog@ausnog.net<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [AusNOG] Australian Censorship program to go ahead -
Gillardsupports a the great firewall<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>labor Prime minister Gillard supports Internet
censorship, <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><a
href="http://www.theaustralian.com.au/australian-it/filtering-legislation-on-the-way/story-e6frgakx-1225889109550">http://www.theaustralian.com.au/australian-it/filtering-legislation-on-the-way/story-e6frgakx-1225889109550</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>By all likelihood due to inaction by us and the technology
community, we will be paving the way to a censorship regime in Australia
by this year. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>I am interested to know who in the ISP community is
supporting this plan? Obviously someone is talking to Conroys office, I don't
think he'll still try to go ahead without the support of the big boys? (or is
there back room deals going on with NBN?)<o:p></o:p></p>
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