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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Hey Karl/others,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>It is all good... yes some of us have been here for a long long
time.... but your are young and already know a lot and will go far (my opinion
after meeting Karl)... give you a few more years and you will be teaching us
some things.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>The off-list direct attacks are normally from people who are too
cowardice to comment on list... it happens all the time.... sometimes I think 50%
of AusNOG conversations happen off-list.... don’t sweat it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>For those who are criticising, at least he is trying to
understand what the issue may be, but I do agree, this isn’t Whirlpool
2.0 and should never be allowed to become it. It didn’t seem to me
he was asking for support, but expressing what he saw as an oddity that kind of
turned into it. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Let’s all move on. I am sure we have better things to do
like bash Conroy about something.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>...Skeeve<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#002060'>Skeeve Stevens, CEO/Technical Director<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#002060'>eintellego Pty Ltd - The Networking Specialists<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#002060'>skeeve@eintellego.net / www.eintellego.net<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#002060'>Phone: 1300 753 383, Fax: (+612) 8572 9954<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#002060'>Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 / skype://skeeve<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#002060'>www.linkedin.com/in/skeeve ; facebook.com/eintellego<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#002060'>NOC, NOC, who's there?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net [mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Karl Kloppenborg<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, 4 July 2010 9:43 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Mark Smith<br>
<b>Cc:</b> ausnog@ausnog.net<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Anyone else experiencing high latency, low speeds
through internode?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Whoa,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Okay guys I get the fucking picture, back off already.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Seriously lets drop this,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>I have stated time and time again that I am still learning
about this industry, I am young.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>A lot of you guys on here have been working in ISP land for
about 20 years, I wasn't even born then.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>The experience I have had is in routers / switches / bgp /
firewalls / voip and general networking.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>I have not exactly had the experience you guys have had come
last mile services, so someone like me was a bit curious about it because I
don't fully understand it all, I have yet to have even worked with a DSLAM or
anything close to last mile, the closest I have gotten is working with LNS's<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>as stated BEFORE I was not looking for "help! my modem
is broken!" support, I have read the list charter many times before too,
and prior to even posting on AusNOG I put a support ticket in like a good
person should to Internode.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>I just don't exactly know much about last mile services so I
was looking for more guidance than anything.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Maybe I should have worded it differently, I do apologise
for that, but AFTER stating that I am not looking for support you guys (not all
of you, some gave my some pretty good insight to how this all works) came down
with hammers and offlist posted me telling me I am a practical dumbass.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>For those who did off list post to me stating I am a dumbass
and should be banned, I made a simple fucking mistake, live with it, its not
like I trolled the forum and acted like a complete twat for three weeks.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Sorry for wording it wrong, I should have said that I didn't
know much about last mile services and what not.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Fucking drop this post.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Sorry.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>-Karl.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On 04/07/2010, at 21:26, Mark Smith wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Sun, 4 Jul 2010 17:48:25 +1000<br>
Karl Kloppenborg <<a href="mailto:karl@karltec.net">karl@karltec.net</a>>
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<p class=MsoNormal>And its back, same results again,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>And the guy (no offence offence to MMC) at internode first
level support says I am getting the latency because I am pinging a google US
server... come on man I think I would know if I was pinging a US server or not?
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<p class=MsoNormal>Hrrm that's what originally started me thinking this could
be a weird issue the sync just doesn't appear right.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>BTW, for all those who are going "EU support is not
allowed on AusNOG" I am not ASKING for support, I am not trying HELP.. I
am expressing (what I think) is a weird issue.<o:p></o:p></p>
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These types of faults are bread-and-butter faults for operators, and<br>
are usually only of interest to them when they're affecting 100s or<br>
1000s of users. One person complaining about it on an operator mailing<br>
list like this is an annoyance rather than anything else.<br>
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If you think it is a weird issue, maybe you don't quite understand the<br>
company you're in and what they do. Would you expect to go to a<br>
mechanic's convention and then say "my car won't start, that's
weird."<br>
The reaction would be similar to what you're getting here ...<br>
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If you don't want to go through official ISP support, then Whirlpool is<br>
the appropriate place for this sort of issue. Some of the people here<br>
may be willing to help you over there, but that doesn't mean that here<br>
is equal to there.<br>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Hi Karl,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Thank you for your email.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Can you please provide further information as to what is
running slow? Are your downloads running slow or are there some websites that
are running slow? If they are can you please specify.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Increased latency to Google in the US in and of itself is
not going result in problems with your connection.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Cheers!<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Karl Kloppenborg<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On 04/07/2010, at 17:41, Nathan Brookfield wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>10mbit Downstream and 128k Upstream, Am I the only one that
thinks that's a little strange?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Jul 4, 2010, at 4:57 PM, "Karl Kloppenborg"
<<a href="mailto:karl@karltec.net">karl@karltec.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Karl Kloppenborg<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On 04/07/2010, at 16:52, Scott Howard wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>1300 788 233<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Internode's customer support is excellent, and (with no
offense to MMC!) far better than you're going to get here...<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal> Scott.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Sat, Jul 3, 2010 at 11:47 PM, Karl Kloppenborg <<a
href="mailto:karl@karltec.net">karl@karltec.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Checked all computers on the network (two of them) turned
off the other one, plus checked my macbook for transfers happening in the
background, nothing out of the normal.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>I have also checked the DHCP table for any people who might
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<p class=MsoNormal>Nothing out of the ordinary...<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Very strange,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>DSL Status:<span class=apple-tab-span> </span>Connected<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>DSL Modulation Mode:<span class=apple-tab-span> </span>MultiMode<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>DSL Path Mode:<span class=apple-tab-span> </span>Interleaved<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Downstream Rate:<span class=apple-tab-span> </span>9888
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<p class=MsoNormal>Upstream Rate:<span class=apple-tab-span> </span>128
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<p class=MsoNormal>Upstream Line Attenuation:<span class=apple-tab-span> </span>7.5
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<p class=MsoNormal>Upstream Transmit Power:<span class=apple-tab-span> </span>19
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<p class=MsoNormal>Encapsulation:<span class=apple-tab-span> </span>RFC 2516
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<p class=MsoNormal>Multiplexing:<span class=apple-tab-span> </span>LLC<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Qos:<span class=apple-tab-span> </span>UBR<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Pcr Rate:<span class=apple-tab-span> </span>0<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Scr Rate:<span class=apple-tab-span> </span>0<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Autodetect:<span class=apple-tab-span> </span>Enable<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>VPI:<span class=apple-tab-span> </span>8<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>VCI:<span class=apple-tab-span> </span>35<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Enable:<span class=apple-tab-span> </span>Yes<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>PVC Status:<span class=apple-tab-span> </span>Up<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>I have no idea where you are. If you're having an
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<p class=MsoNormal>karl:~ karl$ ping <a href="http://google.com">google.com</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>PING <a href="http://google.com">google.com</a>
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