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<P><FONT SIZE=2>As I was going to say in my post that failed last night, the solution to this is easy: get political.<BR>
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Screw net neutrality - our policy of passive benevolence will not work here.<BR>
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Do what we (SONET) do: actively refuse to carry pro-filter content on your network. If every one of us actively deny proponents to spread their FUD, they'll get irksome and start telling everybody that we're pedophiles. Outrage = airtime and I'll be happy to tell the Today Tonight reporter what's REALLY going on.<BR>
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Sure, there will be some collateral if we start black-holing shared web servers that have pro-filter material, but who cares? This will give people a taste of exactly what it will be like under a government-administered filter regime. In your customers minds, filter = bad and frustrating. Doesn't matter whose filter it is, we've got the jump to make this association and that is the key in winning the war.<BR>
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...at least this way we can use squid instead of m86 too*.<BR>
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Mining companies fight for their rights, time for us to do the same.<BR>
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Regards,<BR>
Curtis<BR>
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*I didn't sign an NDA, but if you did, here's your license to talk: The filter trials were performed using appliances from <A HREF="http://www.m86security.com/">http://www.m86security.com/</A>, formerly Marshall security before their merger. "They told me" they have won a tender for a "filtering platform for an entire country of about 20 million people". I am sick of the silence on this topic.<BR>
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-----Original Message-----<BR>
From: ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net on behalf of Andrew Oskam<BR>
Sent: Thu 7/1/2010 8:59 AM<BR>
To: ausnog@lists.ausnog.net<BR>
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] conroy reaffirms commitment to filter<BR>
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I Agree - We, as an Industry, should be expanding and setting up a<BR>
community and working together much closer than we currently are.<BR>
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At present, I think we are just cruising along and accepting the beating<BR>
that government is throwing at us.<BR>
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I don't claim to have any specific ideas, But I think that we should be<BR>
doing more to voice our concerns about the varying changes that affect<BR>
this industry and the country.<BR>
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Andrew Oskam<BR>
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E percy@th3interw3bs.net<BR>
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On 30/06/10 6:32 PM, Darren Moss wrote:<BR>
> Hi Noggers,<BR>
><BR>
> How about we build an industry web portal which represents our collective view specifically relating to the Filter.<BR>
><BR>
> Then, we collect signatures on a petition and have them presented to Mr Conroy.<BR>
><BR>
> We should also seek SME advice which can be added to the petition, so the Minister can see just how ineffective this filter is going to be (at our cost of course).<BR>
><BR>
> I am sure we could ask our journalist friends on this list to assist with spreading the word and letting the Government know that this is not going to get past without consultation.<BR>
><BR>
> My 2c.<BR>
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> Regards,<BR>
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> Darren Moss<BR>
> General Manager<BR>
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> -----Original Message-----<BR>
> From: ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net [<A HREF="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net">mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</A>] On Behalf Of Sean K. Finn<BR>
> Sent: Wednesday, 30 June 2010 6:24 PM<BR>
> To: 'Andrew Fort'; 'Phillip Grasso'<BR>
> Cc: 'ausnog@ausnog.net'<BR>
> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] conroy reaffirms commitment to filter<BR>
><BR>
> We don't really have a union to represent us.<BR>
><BR>
> If we do I've never heard of them, which means they aren't doing a good enough job getting the message out there.<BR>
><BR>
> S.<BR>
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> -----Original Message-----<BR>
> From: ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net [<A HREF="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net">mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</A>] On Behalf Of Andrew Fort<BR>
> Sent: Wednesday, 30 June 2010 6:21 PM<BR>
> To: Phillip Grasso<BR>
> Cc: ausnog@ausnog.net<BR>
> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] conroy reaffirms commitment to filter<BR>
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> On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 6:09 PM, Phillip Grasso<phillip.grasso@gmail.com> wrote:<BR>
> <BR>
>> Unfortunately the change in leadership looks to not have changed the<BR>
>> filtering picture much.<BR>
>><BR>
>> <A HREF="http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/351461/conroy_reaffirms_commit">http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/351461/conroy_reaffirms_commit</A><BR>
>> ment_filter/<BR>
>><BR>
>> My question what are we 'as an industry' going to do about it?<BR>
>> <BR>
> The miners made the claim their jobs were at stake; rather, the mine _owners_. Are any large ISPs threatening they'll have to go under - destroying jobs - if this legislation is passed? If no-one wants to even bluff, I guess we're SOL.<BR>
><BR>
> -a<BR>
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