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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>If you want to stop this filter from coming through, we need
mass awareness that this filter isn’t going to work. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>This can easily be achieved by creating a bunch of videos /
written / audio tutorials with something like “The 5 easy steps to beating the
filter”. Just show people how to install TOR for firefox or such. If we can
show that the filter is going to be ineffective to the general public then he’ll
lose all footing. If people know that theres a simple and easy way to beat this
thing then why support Conroy to implement a multimillion system thats useless
from the start? Also, in the process it would be a huge embarrassment for Conroy
and his technicals “Know-it-all” noobs if the government’s technical department’s
massive omniscience filter, can be beaten by an old woman at home with “them
internets”, firefox and a firefox-TOR-plugin. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Thoughts?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Dan<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net
[mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Sean K. Finn<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 1 July 2010 10:40 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'John Glendenning'; 'ausnog@lists.ausnog.net'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] conroy reaffirms commitment to filter<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>You mean sacrificial Lamb..<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Do what Clive Palmer does. He’s loud and takes a far-out
approach. Sure it might not be true, but it brings the general concensus
somewhere over the middle line that is needed to win the issue.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>He doesn’t care that he looks like a goose, he’s a damn
billionaire.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Conroy doesn’t care that he looks like a goose, he over-states
things to bring the median view of the average joe across the line that swings
in his favour.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>What we need is an equally ridiculous but still credible loud
mouth pushing an edge issue to swing the general view somewhere in the middle
of the field.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Then we need someone else seriously credible that is a loud
mouth but not known for exaggeration to step into the middle and exert the
extra couple of grams of pressure needed to bring the issue to our side and to
a close.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Politics 101.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Truth has nothing to do with it, no matter how hard you believe.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>We have several seriously credible and quoted loud mouths on
this list, but none that are both credible and radical enough to push an
extreme view that will be listened to.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>And although I am both Radical enough and have enough of a loud
mouth to do it, I’m not a well known or credible source otherwise I would put
my hand up in an instant to be the decoy / dummy runner.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>S.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net
[mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>John Glendenning<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 1 July 2010 9:36 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> ausnog@lists.ausnog.net<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] conroy reaffirms commitment to filter<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>What is the Internet Industry
Association doing amongst all of this? They have been "representing the
interests" of the industry back to when Alston first proposed filtering
back in 2000.<br>
<br>
The mining companies have infinitely more political clout - they are unified,
have deep pockets ($130M in advertising!) and stood for Aussie jobs. Our telco
industry has been offshoring for years, is intensely compettive/fragmented and
is lead by geeks who understandably want to avoid making political statements
for fear of retribrution.<br>
<br>
We need an Aussie Icon/geek to assist with this one. Bring on Dick Smith or Dr
Karl!<br>
<br>
Who is gunna pay for the advertising though?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 9:21 AM, Curtis Bayne <<a
href="mailto:curtis@bayne.com.au">curtis@bayne.com.au</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>As I was going to say in my post that failed
last night, the solution to this is easy: get political.<br>
<br>
Screw net neutrality - our policy of passive benevolence will not work here.<br>
<br>
Do what we (SONET) do: actively refuse to carry pro-filter content on your
network. If every one of us actively deny proponents to spread their FUD,
they'll get irksome and start telling everybody that we're pedophiles. Outrage
= airtime and I'll be happy to tell the Today Tonight reporter what's REALLY
going on.<br>
<br>
Sure, there will be some collateral if we start black-holing shared web servers
that have pro-filter material, but who cares? This will give people a taste of
exactly what it will be like under a government-administered filter regime. In
your customers minds, filter = bad and frustrating. Doesn't matter whose filter
it is, we've got the jump to make this association and that is the key in
winning the war.<br>
<br>
...at least this way we can use squid instead of m86 too*.<br>
<br>
Mining companies fight for their rights, time for us to do the same.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
Curtis<br>
<br>
<br>
*I didn't sign an NDA, but if you did, here's your license to talk: The filter
trials were performed using appliances from <a
href="http://www.m86security.com/" target="_blank">http://www.m86security.com/</a>,
formerly Marshall security before their merger. "They told me" they
have won a tender for a "filtering platform for an entire country of about
20 million people". I am sick of the silence on this topic.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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-----Original Message-----<br>
From: <a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>
on behalf of Andrew Oskam<br>
Sent: Thu 7/1/2010 8:59 AM<br>
To: <a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br>
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] conroy reaffirms commitment to filter<br>
<br>
I Agree - We, as an Industry, should be expanding and setting up a<br>
community and working together much closer than we currently are.<br>
<br>
At present, I think we are just cruising along and accepting the beating<br>
that government is throwing at us.<br>
<br>
I don't claim to have any specific ideas, But I think that we should be<br>
doing more to voice our concerns about the varying changes that affect<br>
this industry and the country.<br>
<br>
<br>
Andrew Oskam<br>
<br>
E <a href="mailto:percy@th3interw3bs.net" target="_blank">percy@th3interw3bs.net</a><br>
<br>
<br>
NOTICE:<br>
<br>
These comments are my own personal opinions only and do not necessarily<br>
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All comments are based upon my current knowledge and my own personal<br>
experiences. You should conduct independent tests to verify the validity<br>
of any statements made in this email before basing any decisions upon<br>
those statements.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On 30/06/10 6:32 PM, Darren Moss wrote:<br>
> Hi Noggers,<br>
><br>
> How about we build an industry web portal which represents our collective
view specifically relating to the Filter.<br>
><br>
> Then, we collect signatures on a petition and have them presented to Mr
Conroy.<br>
><br>
> We should also seek SME advice which can be added to the petition, so the
Minister can see just how ineffective this filter is going to be (at our cost
of course).<br>
><br>
> I am sure we could ask our journalist friends on this list to assist with
spreading the word and letting the Government know that this is not going to
get past without consultation.<br>
><br>
> My 2c.<br>
><br>
><br>
> Regards,<br>
><br>
><br>
> Darren Moss<br>
> General Manager<br>
> Australia and New Zealand<br>
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> -----Original Message-----<br>
> From: <a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>
[<a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>]
On Behalf Of Sean K. Finn<br>
> Sent: Wednesday, 30 June 2010 6:24 PM<br>
> To: 'Andrew Fort'; 'Phillip Grasso'<br>
> Cc: '<a href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog@ausnog.net</a>'<br>
> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] conroy reaffirms commitment to filter<br>
><br>
> We don't really have a union to represent us.<br>
><br>
> If we do I've never heard of them, which means they aren't doing a good
enough job getting the message out there.<br>
><br>
> S.<br>
><br>
> -----Original Message-----<br>
> From: <a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>
[<a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>]
On Behalf Of Andrew Fort<br>
> Sent: Wednesday, 30 June 2010 6:21 PM<br>
> To: Phillip Grasso<br>
> Cc: <a href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog@ausnog.net</a><br>
> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] conroy reaffirms commitment to filter<br>
><br>
> On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 6:09 PM, Phillip Grasso<<a
href="mailto:phillip.grasso@gmail.com" target="_blank">phillip.grasso@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
> <br>
>> Unfortunately the change in leadership looks to not have changed the<br>
>> filtering picture much.<br>
>><br>
>> <a
href="http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/351461/conroy_reaffirms_commit"
target="_blank">http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/351461/conroy_reaffirms_commit</a><br>
>> ment_filter/<br>
>><br>
>> My question what are we 'as an industry' going to do about it?<br>
>> <br>
> The miners made the claim their jobs were at stake; rather, the mine
_owners_. Are any large ISPs threatening they'll have to go under -
destroying jobs - if this legislation is passed? If no-one wants to even
bluff, I guess we're SOL.<br>
><br>
> -a<br>
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