<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div>Conroy doesn't care. We're not the votes he's looking for. He's not able to deal with rational argument or reason on this matter. Clearly and his advisors don't care about what people like Mark Newton and others have presented in terms of how useless this whole concept it is. </div><div><br></div><div>Fundementally the problem is that politicians globally are feeling threatened by the internet and are trying to control it and bend it to their will. This is just one aspect of it.</div><div><br></div><div>MMC</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On 30/06/2010, at 6:02 PM, Darren Moss wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div>Hi Noggers,<br><br>How about we build an industry web portal which represents our collective view specifically relating to the Filter.<br><br>Then, we collect signatures on a petition and have them presented to Mr Conroy.<br><br>We should also seek SME advice which can be added to the petition, so the Minister can see just how ineffective this filter is going to be (at our cost of course).<br><br>I am sure we could ask our journalist friends on this list to assist with spreading the word and letting the Government know that this is not going to get past without consultation.<br><br>My 2c.<br><br><br>Regards, <br><br><br>Darren Moss<br>General Manager<br>Australia and New Zealand<br>[p] 1300 131 083 [f] 03 9017 2287<br>[e] <a href="mailto:Darren.Moss@em3.com.au">Darren.Moss@em3.com.au</a> [w] <a href="http://www.em3.com.au">www.em3.com.au</a><br><br>em3 People and Technology | Managed Technology Experts<br>postal: PO Box 2333, Moorabbin VIC 3189<br><br>New Zealand Airedale Street, Auckland City<br>postal: PO Box 39573, Howick 2045<br>[p] 09 887 0550 [f] 09 887 0273<br><br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: <a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a> [mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Sean K. Finn<br>Sent: Wednesday, 30 June 2010 6:24 PM<br>To: 'Andrew Fort'; 'Phillip Grasso'<br>Cc: <a href="mailto:'ausnog@ausnog.net">'ausnog@ausnog.net</a>'<br>Subject: Re: [AusNOG] conroy reaffirms commitment to filter<br><br>We don't really have a union to represent us.<br><br>If we do I've never heard of them, which means they aren't doing a good enough job getting the message out there.<br><br>S.<br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: <a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a> [mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Andrew Fort<br>Sent: Wednesday, 30 June 2010 6:21 PM<br>To: Phillip Grasso<br>Cc: <a href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net">ausnog@ausnog.net</a><br>Subject: Re: [AusNOG] conroy reaffirms commitment to filter<br><br>On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 6:09 PM, Phillip Grasso <<a href="mailto:phillip.grasso@gmail.com">phillip.grasso@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite">Unfortunately the change in leadership looks to not have changed the <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">filtering picture much.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/351461/conroy_reaffirms_commit">http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/351461/conroy_reaffirms_commit</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">ment_filter/<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">My question what are we 'as an industry' going to do about it?<br></blockquote><br>The miners made the claim their jobs were at stake; rather, the mine _owners_. Are any large ISPs threatening they'll have to go under - destroying jobs - if this legislation is passed? If no-one wants to even bluff, I guess we're SOL.<br><br>-a<br>_______________________________________________<br>AusNOG mailing list<br><a href="mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net">AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net</a><br>http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog<br>_______________________________________________<br>AusNOG mailing list<br>AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net<br>http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog<br>_______________________________________________<br>AusNOG mailing list<br>AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net<br>http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog<br></div></blockquote></div><br><div>
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