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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Sorry, I haven’t read the entire thread in case this has
been commented on already.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>But isn’t this just like the filtering situation – can’t
most people still bypass this sort of thing?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#002060'>Skeeve Stevens, CEO/Technical Director<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#002060'>NOC, NOC, who's there?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net
[mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>phil colbourn<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, 11 June 2010 11:51 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Matthew Zobel<br>
<b>Cc:</b> ausnog@ausnog.net<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Govt wants ISPs to record user history<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 3:56 PM, Matthew Zobel <<a
href="mailto:matthew.zobel@gmail.com">matthew.zobel@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Does
anyone else notice the gross hypocrisy here?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>I did. <o:p></o:p></p>
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Conroy calls out Google for catching personal information on users, then the
Government wants ISP to hold all this kind of information. This
Government is a shambles. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Can I suggest '... possibly catching personal information
...'<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>If Google got anything, it was an occasional packet:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>1. Most probably with a NAT IP address on the user's network
- not identifiable<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>2. SSID - not identifiable<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>3. Only unencrypted data<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>4. Since they were taking photos, it probably only happened
when there was good light, say 9:00 to 15:00 - this would be off-peak for most
homes - probably just a bunch of malware calling home or the odd SPAM-bot
delivering it's mail.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>5. Possibly with a real internet IP address of the remote
server, but probably not a URL<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>6. Probably a few fragments of a HTTP request, maybe a DNS
request/response, maybe a SMTP/POP3 fragment (has anyone done the math to see
how much data they might have collected?)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>The proposal seems to collect the ISP subscriber
(identifying the residence), URL, and probably every packet header.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>But what good is a URL is you don't know what was on the
page at that time? ... or do they already have that? <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>-- <br>
Phil<br>
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"If I have nothing to hide, you have no reason to look."<br>
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"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from
magic." Arthur C. Clarke - Who does magic today?<o:p></o:p></p>
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