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<font size="-1"><font face="Verdana">Curtis, I opened that link on my
machine and it was spot on dead accurate ... which I did not expect.<br>
<br>
Most of my experience with "Share your location" apps typically only
tend to generalize my location...this one was 100% accurate.<br>
<br>
Freaky.</font></font>
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On 31/05/10 9:21 PM, Curtis Bayne wrote:
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<p><font size="2">If you're running Chrome, check this out: this is
probably the end-game goal for Google :)<br>
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From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a> on behalf of Narelle<br>
Sent: Mon 5/31/2010 8:49 PM<br>
To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net">ausnog@ausnog.net</a><br>
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Google creepier than Conroy?<br>
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On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 4:18 PM, Craig Askings
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:craig@askings.com.au"><craig@askings.com.au></a> wrote:<br>
> Why do I get the feeling that Dale Clapperton is lurking on this
list and<br>
> just shaking his head as we all play Telco Solictor..... Badly<br>
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IANAL and neither have I read Google's actual code (so I am making<br>
assumptions on what they've done)<br>
<br>
BUT<br>
<br>
I have read both the Telecommunications Act and the Telecommunications<br>
Interception Act and it is my professional opinion that neither of<br>
these acts is relevant to the activity under question. Both of these<br>
relate to 'network units' or 'links' provided under carriage<br>
services...<br>
<br>
Neither is the Privacy Act relevant.<br>
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The one I do think is relevant, however, is the Crimes Act, at least<br>
in NSW it's section 308 - the parts related to unlawful access to<br>
someone's computer. Federally, it's the CYBERCRIME ACT 2001 - SCHEDULE<br>
1. You'd have to follow that assessment up with a review of relevant<br>
case law, and this I haven't checked.<br>
<br>
The question in legislation imho is long settled that just because you<br>
left the window open the burglar is still - in law - deemed to have<br>
broken in...<br>
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<br>
On to the question of home network security and WiFi access points:<br>
these things are appallingly insecure in general use. Consumers are<br>
not generally aware that they are making their networks easily<br>
accessible by anyone in the vicinity of them. Their expectation is<br>
that they will be lucky if they can get it to work at all, so are<br>
happy when their own computer/s can connect to it and then the<br>
Internet.<br>
<br>
I've set up a few recently for people, and, as a statistically<br>
unrepresentative sample, I've been using the set up wizards just to<br>
see where they take me. None of them, so far, have left me with a<br>
secured access point! The most they do is set a new SSID - they don't<br>
prompt users to turn off broadcasting, nor add even a WEP key (let<br>
alone something stronger), NOR change the default password! [These<br>
are, of course, the next few steps I take...]<br>
<br>
Anyone who's spent any time on a helpdesk will also know how much fun<br>
it is talking people through these steps on a telephone. One recent<br>
experience I had with this went round and round with the device<br>
repeatedly refusing to accept the config... Of course, it "worked"<br>
fine just following the bouncing ball, but, yes, it was totally<br>
insecure. Customer was happy to have it totally open, as long as they<br>
could get to the Internet... [yes, I fixed it later]<br>
<br>
imho Google may have done people a service by publicising this level<br>
of insecurity. That said, I didn't see them actually publish any<br>
useful data on - for eg - rates of insecurity in home wireless LANs,<br>
or helpfully advise people that x level of WLAN usage exists. Please<br>
don't get me wrong - I do consider what has been _alleged_ to have<br>
occurred unethical!<br>
<br>
Has anyone seen the code in question? I saw in question time that Sen<br>
Conroy had seen it, but I doubt he will have "decoded" it...<br>
<br>
What is Google's intent with this data? What have they admitted to<br>
doing with it? How are they securing the information they have<br>
collected? Have they issued a public statement on the topic?<br>
<br>
I have a strong recollection that had I done a similar thing as part<br>
of a research study there would have been ethics committee approvals<br>
required... but we wouldn't have had the funding!<br>
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Narelle<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:narellec@gmail.com">narellec@gmail.com</a><br>
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