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color:#1F497D'>Yes, but ignore them to no one but their own detriment.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>BTW.. I am not talking ‘end of the world doomsday’,
but certainly the articles that have recently been appearing, their tone is
acceptable to me.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>...Skeeve<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#002060'>Skeeve Stevens, CEO/Technical Director<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#002060'>eintellego Pty Ltd - The Networking Specialists<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#002060'>skeeve@eintellego.net / www.eintellego.net<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#002060'>Phone: 1300 753 383, Fax: (+612) 8572 9954<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#002060'>Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 / skype://skeeve<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#002060'>www.linkedin.com/in/skeeve ; facebook.com/eintellego<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#002060'>--<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#002060'>NOC, NOC, who's there?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Shane Short [mailto:shane@short.id.au] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, 31 May 2010 7:45 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Skeeve Stevens<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Dmitri Kalintsev; ausnog@lists.ausnog.net<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] IPv6 Article on CNN<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>I agree with everything you've said here, bar the doomsday
articles.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>The problem with doomsday articles is that some people will
read them as such and completely ignore them.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On 31/05/2010, at 5:40 AM, Skeeve Stevens wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>That is the thing... do you realise how many ISP’s are
just sitting there doing nothing right now?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Every conversation I am having with ISP’s ends up sounding
doomsday-like because:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='text-indent:-18.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>-</span><span
style='font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'> <span
class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>v4 run-out is happening 12-24
months from now</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='text-indent:-18.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>-</span><span
style='font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'> <span
class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>You need 3-6 months to get
engineering staff up to speed</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='text-indent:-18.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>-</span><span
style='font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'> <span
class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>You need another 3 or more to
get sales/management up to speed</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='text-indent:-18.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>-</span><span
style='font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'> <span
class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>You need to be kicking your
transit suppliers, hardware vendors and so on</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='text-indent:-18.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>-</span><span
style='font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'> <span
class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>You need to figure out how to
deal with the fact that few customer xDSL CPE’s are going to work and who
is going to pay for it</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='text-indent:-18.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>-</span><span
style='font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'> <span
class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>You need to be planning for
the serious architectural changes to your network</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='text-indent:-18.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New";color:#1F497D'>o</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt;
color:#1F497D'> <span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>IPv6
dual-stack transit</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='text-indent:-18.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New";color:#1F497D'>o</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt;
color:#1F497D'> <span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>IPv6
your core</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='text-indent:-18.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New";color:#1F497D'>o</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt;
color:#1F497D'> <span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>IPv6
your OSS (including all the investigation/upgrading this will take)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='text-indent:-18.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New";color:#1F497D'>o</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt;
color:#1F497D'> <span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>IPv6
to you customers – colo, ethernet, cloud, hosting for the most part is
easy – DSL isn’t as easy</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='text-indent:-18.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New";color:#1F497D'>o</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt;
color:#1F497D'> <span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>You
need to buy/build/integrate CGN/LSN</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='text-indent:-18.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New";color:#1F497D'>o</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt;
color:#1F497D'> <span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>This
will need 6-9 months effort</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='text-indent:-18.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>-</span><span
style='font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'> <span
class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>You need to plan how to pay
for it – NOW</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='text-indent:-18.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>-</span><span
style='font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'> <span
class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Decide that if you want
to keep your job (if you aren’t the owner – then it is your
business you will lose) if you don’t start making SOME moves – even
if it is just understanding and planning what you should be doing... talking to
someone – anyone who can help.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>If ISPs don’t do the above... and start in the next 3
months, then things are going to get very bad for you if you are an ISP.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Few people can deny most of the above. If you do, you are
not an ISP or living in a fantasy world.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Even at CeBIT, because of what we do, a LOT of people we were
talking to were ISPs – and nearly all of them haven’t even
thought about starting IPv6 yet.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>You don’t think they need articles like this? They need
anything that will give them a wake-up call... because few ISPs actually go to
APNIC, IPv6 Summit, AusNOG, etc and here the message that is being talked about.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>And these conversations are working. Just from CeBIT last
week I have a dozen leads from ISPs around the country wanting us to look at their
infrastructure via our ‘IPv6 Infrastructure Readiness Report’ which
we are presently doing all over the APAC region for ISPs, businesses and
governments who are slowly waking up.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>My point still is... doomsday themed articles can only help...
they aren’t going to make people run and hide as that is going to
accomplish exactly what the articles are talking about.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>...Skeeve</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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color:#002060'>--</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#002060'>Skeeve Stevens, CEO/Technical Director</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#002060'>eintellego Pty Ltd - The Networking Specialists</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#002060'><a href="mailto:skeeve@eintellego.net">skeeve@eintellego.net</a><span
class=apple-converted-space> </span>/<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a
href="http://www.eintellego.net">www.eintellego.net</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#002060'>Phone: 1300 753 383, Fax: (+612) 8572 9954</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#002060'>Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 /<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a
href="skype://skeeve">skype://skeeve</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#002060'><a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/skeeve">www.linkedin.com/in/skeeve</a><span
class=apple-converted-space> </span>;<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a
href="http://facebook.com/eintellego">facebook.com/eintellego</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#002060'>NOC, NOC, who's there?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span class=apple-converted-space><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> </span></span><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><a
href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a><span
class=apple-converted-space> </span>[mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net]<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span></b>Dmitri Kalintsev<br>
<b>Sent:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Monday, 31 May 2010
6:20 AM<br>
<b>To:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a
href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Re: [AusNOG] IPv6
Article on CNN</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Skeeve,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Agree about the ISPs. I mentioned enterprises because I was
(probably naively) thinking that them ISPs don't need CNN articles to get
things moving.<o:p></o:p></p>
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talking about scaring people stiff... I am suggesting more articles
detailing just might happen if they don’t start doing something now.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>It isn’t
too late today... a few months won’t be too late.... one year... yes...
problems.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>I am not saying
ipv4 will be disappearing in a puff of smoke... but this is AusNOG... mostly
supposedly to have ISPs and carriers... those who really need to be thinking
about IPv6 today... not in 6 months time.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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CEO/Technical Director</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt'>From:</span></b><span
class=apple-converted-space><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt'> </span></span><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt'><a
href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a><span
class=apple-converted-space> </span>[mailto:<a
href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>]<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span></b>Dmitri Kalintsev<br>
<b>Sent:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Sunday, 30 May 2010
6:20 PM</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b>Subject:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Re:
[AusNOG] IPv6 Article on CNN<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>I feel that a more effective tactic in getting enterprises
over the line is not to scare them stiff but to help them with assessing the
implications for their particular business.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>When people are scared with no obvious way to escape, a
reaction is often that of denial. On other hand if they are shown a way to
*correctly and effectively* assess the danger *they are in* (which will vary
widely, depending on the nature of a particular business - IPv4 isn't exactly
going to disappear in a puff of a smoke at the hell's bell's toll), then you
will effectively help them to put together a business case to do the necessary
movements.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 4:21 PM, Skeeve Stevens <<a
href="mailto:Skeeve@eintellego.net" target="_blank">Skeeve@eintellego.net</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Kevin,<br>
<br>
Last week on our stand at CeBIT I spent a lot of time talking to many people
about what we do...and IPv6 came up a lot.<br>
<br>
The most frequent comments about IPv6 were:<br>
<br>
- What is it?<br>
- Is there really a need to look at it yet?<br>
- They didn't have any customers asking for it<br>
- We will be looking at it soon<br>
- Not many providers offer it<br>
- Telstra doesn't offer it - which means it isn't prime-time yet<br>
<br>
But the biggest comment was:<br>
<br>
- I know what it is, but I haven't heard much about it in the IT media, so we
assume it isn't that important yet.<br>
<br>
Which is why I now have a stronger opinion that ANY article talking about IPv6
- informational, hype, doomsday-like - are good things. And the more
articles, the more 'alarmist' in nature - the better.<br>
<br>
Kevin, you'd rather show people the rewards and profits? What profits?
Apart from integration and selling people new hardware, there are no real
profits in just 'having IPv6'. Rewards? The only reward is being in
business in a couple of years time - the most important of all rewards - but
you can't sell that.<br>
<br>
APNIC, ISOC-AU, IPv6NOW (in this region) and other organisations have taken
this softly softly approach for far too long and where is IPv6 adoption at? It
is terrible considering how close we are to the ipv4 run-out.<br>
<br>
This technology is critical to the Telco/carrier/isp/etc world continuing to
operate... those who are responsible to handing out these recourses to the end
users have, for the most part minus a few notables (such as Internode, Pipe),
have made very little progress in deploying or making this technology widely
available to the public/their customers.<br>
<br>
Looking into my crystal ball I do see a time a year or so from now where
Telstra/Optus/iiNet and Internode will most likely be telling all their
customers and the general public about IPv6... at least I hope so. But I
am wondering that if that will be soon enough considering the amount of
resources required to train all the support staff in the technology.<br>
<br>
The only ISP that I know of - Internode - who is doing v6 prime-time, I assume
has also internally trained a lot of their support staff. Would Mark/Matthew
or someone from Internode let us know where the company is with IPv6 knowledge
amongst its front-line staff? (for curiosity and example purposes).<br>
<br>
Internode, 'wherever they are' would have to be at the cutting edge of v6
awareness.... I hope. But my worry is that the other BIG ISPs in this country -
Telstra, Optus, TPG, iiNET/Netspace, Exetel, Adam and others... how long will
it take to get all their staff up to speed.... sales, support (including
offshore), netops and so on.... and will it be done in time?<br>
<br>
The big thing I hear from ISPs and alike at conferences is that 'no one is
asking for it'. Well, if articles that hype the issue of IPv6 up, bring
awareness and hopefully cause them to start asking their ISPs, Integrators,
local computer stores, and so on... great.... because all the soft talking so
far has done very little to help to cause.<br>
<br>
The time for softly softly is over. You (larger industry plural) have had your
chance.<br>
<br>
...Skeeve<o:p></o:p></p>
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eintellego Pty Ltd - The Networking Specialists<br>
<a href="mailto:skeeve@eintellego.net" target="_blank">skeeve@eintellego.net</a><span
class=apple-converted-space> </span>/<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a
href="http://www.eintellego.net" target="_blank">www.eintellego.net</a><br>
Phone: 1300 753 383, Fax: (+612) 8572 9954<br>
Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 /<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a
href="skype://skeeve">skype://skeeve</a><br>
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href="http://facebook.com/eintellego" target="_blank">facebook.com/eintellego</a><br>
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<p class=MsoNormal>> -----Original Message-----<br>
> From:<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a
href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a><span
class=apple-converted-space> </span>[mailto:<a href="mailto:ausnog-"
target="_blank">ausnog-</a><br>
><span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a
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<p class=MsoNormal>> Sent: Sunday, 30 May 2010 12:24 PM<br>
> To:<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a
href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>> Subject: [AusNOG] IPv6 Article on CNN<br>
><br>
> Hi Skeeve<br>
><br>
> >Problem is... doomsday articles are sometimes the only way to<br>
> motivate<br>
> people.<br>
><br>
> Really?<br>
> Surely self-interest is a far greater motivator. I don't think that you<br>
> can use self-preservation as a motivator in this instance (see below).<br>
> You have to show the rewards that are available that are otherwise<br>
> unachievable with the current regime.<br>
><br>
> >I believe the impact of Y2K was minimalised due to peoples preparation<br>
> mostly due to the many<br>
> > doomsday hype articles.<br>
><br>
> The accompanying exaggeration (and subsequent self-enrichment) is part<br>
> of the reason why many<br>
> non-IT industry insiders are justifiably sceptical of doomsday messages<br>
> from the IT industry.<br>
><br>
> And anyway the doomsday message is just not true.<br>
><br>
> > People are going to need something to move them to IPv6...<br>
> > and I really don't care how it happens. Scare the crap
out of them<br>
> I say!<br>
><br>
> I'd rather show people the rewards and the profits that are available.<br>
><br>
> Regards<br>
><br>
> Kevin<br>
><br>
> --<o:p></o:p></p>
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