<html><head><base href="x-msg://679/"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><br><div><div>On 19/05/2010, at 1:15 PM, Daniel Hooper wrote:</div><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div bgcolor="white" lang="EN-AU" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="WordSection1"><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; ">It’s hard for smaller operators to justify rolling out ipv6 at the moment unless the big boys get on board, maybe it’s time for us smaller operators to start putting our foot up someone’s backside at our upstream providers to get ipv6 moving forward in a realistic time frame.</span></div></div></div></span></blockquote><div><br></div>I'm not sure why "the big boys" actions make any difference whatsoever to</div><div>what you're doing.</div><div><br></div><div>What support do you expect from them? What could they do that'd make any</div><div>difference?</div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div bgcolor="white" lang="EN-AU" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="WordSection1"><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> My scenario is this at the moment, I have a small base of customers utilising ipv4, I could go ahead and re-deck our core out and ipv6 enable it, however my up streams aren’t doing ipv6 yet (and no replies back from them as to when they will be), so I’ve basically got no global ipv6 connectivity. Management isn’t going to open the cheque book until the customers are screaming for it and my providers don’t seem to give a hoot about it at the moment, possibly more screaming from us will push this. </o:p></span></div></div></div></span></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Everyone'll make their own business decisions, sure. But the path you've</div><div>described looks pretty risky to me, and isn't likely to yield benefits proportional</div><div>to its costs.</div><div><br></div><div>I can see where it comes from, though: The perception from people who </div><div>don't know what they're talking about is that IPv6 is new, and adopting it</div><div>is a risk. So if management wants a risk-averse path, delaying IPv6 until</div><div>everyone else has jumped on board might look like the right answer, because</div><div>it'd reduce the chance that you waste a bunch of effort on something that</div><div>might not turn into reality.</div><div><br></div><div>Unfortunately it's based on a false premise, and is consequently bass-</div><div>ackwards.</div><div><br></div><div>IPv6 <i>is happening, on timescales you can't control.</i> So any risk mitigation</div><div>strategy that's based on a supposition that it won't happen, or that you have</div><div>influence over its rate of adoption, is flawed.</div><div><br></div><div>The business risk isn't that you'll waste expensive effort on something</div><div>that doesn't come to pass -- It's that this IPv6 thing will happen, and you'll</div><div>be caught flat-footed, unable to respond because you don't know how.</div><div><br></div><div>You'll be able to recognize the signs of that happening when your first</div><div>customer comes to you asking for IPv6 and you have to say, "No."</div><div><br></div><div>IPv6 isn't impossible; it isn't even hard. But it does require planning and</div><div>preparation, mostly because you can't just assume that whatever you're</div><div>doing with IPv4 maps seamlessly to IPv6. Your geeks need to retrain </div><div>themselves, and you'll need to find some way to help your salescritters</div><div>as well.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div bgcolor="white" lang="EN-AU" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="WordSection1"><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p>Also worth mentioning at the moment is the small amount of resources on the internet that are ipv6 capable, I cant see a huge amount of traffic on the network being ipv6 (so no point buying another pipe to another upstream just to gain global ipv6 connectivity)</o:p></span></div></div></div></span></blockquote><div><br></div>It isn't about traffic. It's about the Internet continuing to function in the way</div><div>everyone expects it to function after Sep/Oct next year.</div><div><br></div><div>If you're waiting for traffic, that means you're going to be a late adopter,</div><div>and the v6 traffic you see which eventually convinces you to move is </div><div>probably originating from the customers who used to be connected to </div><div>your network. :-)</div><div><br></div><div><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div bgcolor="white" lang="EN-AU" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="WordSection1"><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> Unfortunately I don’t believe for a second the small community of tech savvy internet consumers is going to make enough of a song & dance about ipv6 for it to have any real impact.</o:p></span></div></div></div></span></blockquote><br></div><div>Almost no customers are going to make a big song and dance about IPv6.</div><div><br></div><div>But we're all going to do it anyway.</div><div><br></div><div>All of us in this industry <i>know</i> that there's IPv6 demand coming down the </div><div>pike that we need to be ready to service. Thanks to Geoff's exhaustive efforts</div><div>we've even known the demand spike's date for about the last five years,</div><div>so we're all going to look like a pack of dills if we aren't ready for it, aren't</div><div>we?</div><div><br></div><div>Some of us will be ready to service it, and will have happy bill-paying</div><div>customers as a result. And others won't start preparing until the demand</div><div>spike hits, and will have customers dawning to the slow realization that</div><div>their service provider can't satisfy their needs.</div><div><br></div><div>For businesses whose bread and butter comes from satisfying customers</div><div>connectivity needs, I know which alternative looks riskier. Does your boss?</div><div><br></div><div> - mark</div><br><div>
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