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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-AU link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>According to this (<a href="http://www.sixxs.net/tools/grh/dfp/all/?country=au">http://www.sixxs.net/tools/grh/dfp/all/?country=au</a>) only 25% of allocated ipv6 is actually being announced in Australia.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>It’s hard for smaller operators to justify rolling out ipv6 at the moment unless the big boys get on board, maybe it’s time for us smaller operators to start putting our foot up someone’s backside at our upstream providers to get ipv6 moving forward in a realistic time frame.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>My scenario is this at the moment, I have a small base of customers utilising ipv4, I could go ahead and re-deck our core out and ipv6 enable it, however my up streams aren’t doing ipv6 yet (and no replies back from them as to when they will be), so I’ve basically got no global ipv6 connectivity. Management isn’t going to open the cheque book until the customers are screaming for it and my providers don’t seem to give a hoot about it at the moment, possibly more screaming from us will push this. Also worth mentioning at the moment is the small amount of resources on the internet that are ipv6 capable, I cant see a huge amount of traffic on the network being ipv6 (so no point buying another pipe to another upstream just to gain global ipv6 connectivity)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Unfortunately I don’t believe for a second the small community of tech savvy internet consumers is going to make enough of a song & dance about ipv6 for it to have any real impact.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>So what to do? I guess all I can do is sit and wait for the time being.<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net [mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ankur Puri<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 19 May 2010 10:52 AM<br><b>To:</b> 'Aaron Weller // Crucial Paradigm'; 'Andrew Oskam'<br><b>Cc:</b> ausnog@lists.ausnog.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] SMH: "No room at the internet"<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>I totally agree, there needs to be much more publicity regarding this.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>NTT has been offering commercial dual stack and native IPv6 globally since 2003 on our Global IP Network (GIN), including Australia.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>There are some ISPs and network providers with NTT as their upstream utilising the dual stack and native v6 connectivity and some looking at trialling.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>It’s time that ISPs start looking at this seriously if they haven’t yet…<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>Ankur Puri<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>NTT Australia Pty Ltd<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>P: +61 2 8915 8948 </span><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>|</span></b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'> F: +61 2 9251 5749 </span><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>|</span></b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'> M: +61 433 114 275</span><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>W: <a href="http://www.au.ntt.com">www.au.ntt.com</a> </span><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>|</span></b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'> Global IP Network (GIN): <a href="http://www.ntt.net/english">www.ntt.net</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span lang=EN-US style='color:windowtext'><hr size=2 width="100%" align=center></span></div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net [mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Aaron Weller // Crucial Paradigm<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 19 May 2010 11:37 AM<br><b>To:</b> Andrew Oskam<br><b>Cc:</b> ausnog@lists.ausnog.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] SMH: "No room at the internet"</span><span lang=EN-US style='color:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I agree, while the article may not be 100% correct - something like this is needed to bring around awareness for people not in the industry. The more publicity, the better!<br><br>Andrew Oskam wrote: <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Going back on topic...<br><br>I think it's a great thing that the article was published as there are still plenty of people NOT in the industry who don't even know that this change is coming.<br><br>It's certainly forseeable that I will be receiving calls in the close future from customers who will be skewing their faces when I start to read out an IPv6 address to them.<br><br>People need to be made aware and educated on the change because this is something that will affect everyone...big and small.<br><br>+10 internets to the publisher for an excellent article.<br><br>The whole debate on the correct grammer for 'internet' is a bit pointless really..at the end of the day.<br><br>..Andrew :)<br></span><br>On 19/05/10 11:03 AM, Skeeve Stevens wrote: <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Hey all,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I find it amusing that people like Daniel here are talking about IPv6 as though there is still a time to have an opinion on whether IPv6 is a good thing.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>As was the feeling at APNIC 29 in KL as well as the theme of the 2010 IPv6 Summit “You’re Standing in it” – IPv6 is HERE... it isn’t coming, it isn’t a choice, it works now... do it or not be in business in a couple of years (for carriers, ISPs, etc).</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>IPv6 is no longer in the testing phases – it is real... and if you are an ISP and you aren’t thinking about it right now... in a year you are going to be screwed.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>It is going to take a good year for the ISP’s to spread IPv6 knowledge throughout an organisation – Level 1 helpdesk, Sales, and indeed management who may have to budget something to implement it properly.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>OK, so have an opinion on whether IPv6 is a good thing... but your opinion doesn’t matter in the end... You need to do it at some point, or else.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>...Skeeve</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#002060'>--</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#002060'>Skeeve Stevens, CEO/Technical Director</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#002060'>eintellego Pty Ltd - The Networking Specialists</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#002060'><a href="mailto:skeeve@eintellego.net">skeeve@eintellego.net</a> / <a href="http://www.eintellego.net">www.eintellego.net</a></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#002060'>Phone: 1300 753 383, Fax: (+612) 8572 9954</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#002060'>Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 / <a href="skype://skeeve">skype://skeeve</a></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#002060'><a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/skeeve">www.linkedin.com/in/skeeve</a> ; facebook.com/eintellego</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#002060'>--</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#002060'>NOC, NOC, who's there?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-left:solid windowtext 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt;border-color:-moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color blue'><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm;border-color:-moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a> [<a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net">mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Daniel Hood<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 19 May 2010 10:17 AM<br><b>To:</b> Bevan Slattery<br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net">ausnog@ausnog.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] SMH: "No room at the internet"</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Them "Internets" ain't going to die if we all start using capital I's. It is however going to be come extremely address exhausted.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>What is the general opinion of people here on IPv6? In my opinion, I welcome the move, because for one it means that these nounce kids (such as myself) are going to have a lot more trouble "faking it" when they attempt to get jobs well above there skill level running networks they shouldn't be allowed near. I mean if you can't convert to hex you can't really use IPv6 all that well. And that means these kids with their Pass4Sure CCNA's and no real world experience won't be able to hide underneath the radar of the 192.168.0.x subnet anymore. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I also like the fact that instead of having to sparingly use my 8 home IPs for a honeynet, test servers and production servers I can be a bit more giving. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>And last but not least, that feature that allows the host to discover default gateways looks pretty bad ass, I really want to have a good play with that as well. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Everyone else's thoughts?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Dan<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 10:03 AM, Bevan Slattery <<a href="mailto:Bevan.Slattery@staff.pipenetworks.com">Bevan.Slattery@staff.pipenetworks.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Actually. I did jump off half-cocked. After reading the article<br>(rather than just your post) she was perhaps intending it to be a proper<br>noun (like a hotel name), so I'll take one for the team here. However,<br>if it wasn't used in the manner intended, then the rest would be fine.<br>Sorry Scott.<br><br>Ordinarily it's a pet peeve of mine when people correct me for not using<br>capital "i". At least I got to inject a clip of a couple of great shows<br>being The IT Crowd or South Park :)<br><br>Cheers<br><br>[b]<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><br>> -----Original Message-----<br>> From: Bevan Slattery<br>> Sent: Wednesday, 19 May 2010 9:56 AM<br>> To: Scott Howard; <a href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net">ausnog@ausnog.net</a><br>> Subject: RE: [AusNOG] SMH: "No room at the internet"<br>><br>><br>><br>> > All up, it's enough to make you cringe (starting with the lack of a<br>> > capital I in the subject, it goes downhill from there), but<br>> there are<br>> > some good quotes from Geoff Huston...<br>><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>> Sheesh. The thing that makes me cringe a bit is people who<br>> still insist that internet should start with a capital "I".<br>> As the Wikipedia entry found here<br>> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_capitalization_conventio" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_capitalization_conventio</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>> ns acknowledges<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>><br>> "Critics of the usage as a proper noun argue that other<br>> things that are unique yet distributed, such as "the power<br>> grid", "the telephone network", and even "the sky", are not<br>> considered proper nouns, and are thus not capitalized. Since<br>> at least 2002 it has been theorized that Internet has been<br>> changing from a proper noun to a generic term.[4] Words for<br>> new technologies, such as Phonograph in the 19th century, are<br>> sometimes capitalized at first, later becoming<br>> uncapitalized.[4] It was suggested as early as 1999 that<br>> Internet might, like some other commonly used proper nouns,<br>> lose its capital letter."<br>><br>> You will note that the SMH along with the Economist,<br>> Financial Times and the Guardian also use the non-capitalised version.<br>><br>> IMHO to raise the 'internet' as proper noun fails to<br>> acknowledge the work and investment by this exact industry to<br>> make it generic or ubiquitous. For me the same applies to<br>> [E]ethernet. If you want to use capitals, then go ahead. If<br>> you don't, don't. But don't pick people up for using lower<br>> case "i", because you'll be in the the same category as Jen<br>> from the IT Crowd <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTBsm0LzSP0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTBsm0LzSP0</a><br>> or those who doubted Kyle on South Park<br>> <a href="http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/166192" target="_blank">http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/166192</a> :)<br>><br>> Cheers<br>><br>> [b]<br>_______________________________________________<br>AusNOG mailing list<br><a href="mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net">AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net</a><br><a href="http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog" target="_blank">http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>AusNOG mailing list<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net">AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog">http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre style='text-align:center'><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre style='text-align:center'><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre style='text-align:center'><hr size=4 width="90%" align=center></pre><pre style='text-align:center'><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre style='text-align:center'><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>AusNOG mailing list<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net">AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog">http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre> <o:p></o:p></pre><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></body></html>