<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div apple-content-edited="true"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(21, 33, 246); font-size: 12px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; 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font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(5, 97, 0); font-size: 9px; font-style: italic; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: medium; font-style: normal; ">Grand evil scheme is me thinking at the moment, yes I am :P<div><br></div><div>Why not license the use of the list off to companies as a sales contact point in exchange for paying part of sponsorship for our yearly AusNOG :P</div><div><br></div><div>Say 1 year sales license = $2k</div><div><br></div><div>:D </div><div></evil><br><div apple-content-edited="true"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; 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</font></span></i></font></div></span></i></font></div></span></span></i></font></div></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></div><br><div><div>On 12/05/2010, at 23:32, Andy Davidson wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div><br>On 14 Apr 2010, at 09:09, Matt Carter wrote:<br><br><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Maybe we start a closed ausnog-ops list which isn't so open? :)<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">I think this is a great idea.<br></blockquote><br>Naw, this would be a great way to get people who already know each other, talking to each other. Sometimes useful, for example in security context, but as useful to this community as an open NOG list ? I don't think so. <br><br>Sales people are going to trawl archives of mailing lists and phone the people they find. If they don't find you on here, they will find you in peeringdb, or on other open lists. When you find out that they have reached you through the Ausnog community, try to encourage them to sponsor the meetings. Then everyone wins. :-)<br><br>Andy<br>_______________________________________________<br>AusNOG mailing list<br><a href="mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net">AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net</a><br>http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog<br></div></blockquote></div><br></body></html>