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<DIV><B>From:</B> <A title=curtis@bayne.com.au
href="mailto:curtis@bayne.com.au">Curtis Bayne</A> </DIV>
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<P><FONT size=2>"To me this is no more than the government interfering further
in a market it doesn't understand, and won't even bother to
try."<BR></FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=2><STRONG>Absolutely Correct</STRONG></P></FONT><FONT
size=2><FONT face=Arial></FONT>
<P><BR><BR>"<opinion>I think the NBN is bullshit. "</P>
<P><STRONG>Absolutely Correct +1 It
is political not good policy.</STRONG></P>
<P>there, I said it out loud. Now that I've ruined any potential employment
prospects in the AU telecoms industry henceforth, let's continue. I fail to
see why we are attempting to replicate networks which are already being
commercially deployed. ISPs are installing infrastructure anywhere and
everywhere that is commercially viable, because it is in their (or their
shareholders) best interests to do so. This is the nature of capitalism.
Capitalism is good, mmkay?"</P>
<P><STRONG>Absolutely Correct</STRONG><BR><BR><BR>"The regional back-haul
project is costing a fraction of the NBN and will provide tangible benefits to
consumers (with increased speeds and reduced cost) far before a consumer is
connected to the NBN network. It enables retail ISPs to install competitive
infrastructure in areas which have previously been serviced only by the
monopoly provider. This is a good thing."<BR></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial></FONT><STRONG>Absolutely
Correct</STRONG></P><STRONG></STRONG>
<P><BR>" Surely retail ISPs with their own infastructure should be
excited by the proposition that they will be capable of deploying
infrastructure to areas where there is no competition other than Telstra
Wholesale? Am I the ONLY one who thinks that this is the opportunity of the
decade? "</P>
<P><FONT face=Arial><STRONG>No but you would be a bloody idiot to roll out
anything (FTTH wise) while NBN is on the table. If there is one thing I
have learnt, it is that you can't beat government money, and the governments
ability to change the regulations. The feds would be better off getting
their competition regulations sorted out, then letting the market develop
solutions. They need to have some patience. Local government has a
role to play as well</STRONG></FONT></P>
<P>Once this fibre is in, you can begin amortizing your DSLAM investment
before NBNCo can even put their last-mile fibre in the ground - there is no
way they could ever compete with you!</P>
<P><STRONG>Yes there is it. NBN will be backed by government money and
the government makes the rules.</STRONG> <BR><BR>Perhaps if we spent a
few billion dollars building a national, regional back haul network capable of
servicing major town/transit routes, we would have a national, regulated
carriage duopoly: this would encourage independent providers to begin building
their own fibre routes in areas where they have previously been unable to
justify expenditure due to a lack of return - especially in places like
Maroochydore, Darwin etc. Customers that are outside of these regional centers
will end up serviced by independent wireless ISPs - these ISPs now have access
to competitive carriage some ~200KM away, which is only a few microwave hops
away. Capitalism again: if there's money in it, someone will do it.</P>
<P><STRONG>Absolutely Correct. I hope someone in DBCDE is reeading your
response, I have been saying the same to them for years</STRONG><BR><BR>As far
as I can see, if we pursue this avenue, we will end up with the following
outcomes:<BR><BR>1. An easily justifiable return on investment for
"BackhaulCo" (our tax dollars do not go to waste!)<BR>2. Delivery of
high-speed services to regional areas (fulfilling the goals of NBNCo).<BR>3.
Does not sever the investment that current providers have put in their own
infrastructure (this will make many providers happy)<BR>4. Will most likely
(in time) deliver a FTTP network when a commercial provider deems they are
able to amortize their investment (or we'll end up stuck with HFC - either
way, we get our 100Mbps to the home)<BR>5. Encourages smaller ISPs in regional
areas, creating jobs and bolstering the local economy (and keeps me in
business)<BR>6. Only marginally pisses Telstra off (could be considered a
disadvantage!)<BR>7. Encourages mobile carriers like Voda/Optus to deploy 3G
infastructure in rural areas (more healthy competition in these areas and a
kick in the pants for the NextG monopoly).<BR>8. Stops Curtis from making
page-long rants on a public mailing list (good for AusNOG in
general).<BR></opinion><BR><BR>AusNOG - tell my why I'm an idiot and I
will happily listen.<BR></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial><STRONG>Your not an idiot, this is really the first
sensible, well thought out email I have seen on the subject. Excluding
point 8. Well Done!!!!!!</STRONG></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial><STRONG>If NBN is ever built I can see us all paying for
it. I remember a number of years ago an ISP telling me that
he organised a sprint 4MB link fo 20 % of what I could get it from
Telstra. When he asked Telstra why I couldn't get it he was told a
mistake was made and that Telstra would charge sprint more. He went back
to sprint and they said they would honour the price regardless, in fact they
wanted Telstra to charge them more. Aparently Telstra and Sprint had a
contract that allowed each party to charge the same anount as the other party
to the contract. It is funny how competition can sort these issues out
and the results. NBN will be able to set what ever price they like,
while ever the government is the owner. Just like power and water.
The ACCC won't stop government owned businesses the same way it does to
private companies </STRONG></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial>regards </FONT></P><FONT
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