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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>The sessions I've been to said
they are building a Layer 2 access network, with exception of the multicast
network which they are handling at layer 3.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Mike Quigley was pretty explicit
that the NBN just want to be plumbers and provide pipes, they don't want to get
involved in innovation or service delivery beyond the provision of tubes.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Cheers<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Dave<b><i><o:p></o:p></i></b></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net
[mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>McDonald Richards<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 22 April 2010 9:23 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> ausnog@ausnog.net<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] NBN Co Layer 2 vs. Layer 3 Services<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>I’ve been to a couple of their
workshops now and from what I can tell, NBN Co have no intention of providing a
layer 3 service. Where are the other voices and are they people with clue or
just opinion pieces from industry commentators?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Macca<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net
[mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Skeeve Stevens<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 22 April 2010 9:03 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> ausnog@ausnog.net<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [AusNOG] NBN Co Layer 2 vs. Layer 3 Services<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#002060'>Hey all,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#002060'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#002060'>Just a quick question. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#002060'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#002060'>At the moment there is a lot of
talk of NBN and whether they are going to deliver Layer 2 or Layer 3 services.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#002060'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#002060'>I am a little confused about
what is meant by that. In that as ISP’s, I would assume that we would
only want Layer 2 services from them? Just in kind of a DSL Wholesale/Ethernet
wholesale/etc situation that we already have.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#002060'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#002060'>Most of our ISP customers would
be happy if the NBN operated just like the current wholesale models out there
at the moment. Little ISP calls his aggregator and says he wants a NBN
VLAN to this address which they get from NBNCo (if directly if you are big
enough and can afford to interconnect yourself), which is turned on and
presented at an aggregation port... very much like taking wholesale ethernet
from Pipe, Nextgen, Telstra and others today.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#002060'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#002060'>This makes sense to me.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#002060'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#002060'>But there is a bunch of voices
saying they want the NBN Co to do Layer 3... and I am not quite sure what is
meant by that? Users buy bandwidth off the NBN Co? Turning them into a
retail ISP?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#002060'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#002060'>If this seems like a stupid
question, I am sorry about that... but there are some voices who have access to
presenting their views and are doing so about NBN should be doing Layer 3... and
I am trying to find some understanding about what is actually being suggested.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#002060'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#002060'>...Skeeve</span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#002060'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#002060'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#002060'>--<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#002060'>Skeeve Stevens,
CEO/Technical Director<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#002060'>eintellego Pty
Ltd - The Networking Specialists<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#002060'>skeeve@eintellego.net
/ www.eintellego.net<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#002060'>Phone: 1300 753
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#002060'>Cell +61 (0)414
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#002060'>--<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#002060'>NOC, NOC, who's
there?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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