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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I had no idea that AUSNOG had the potential to come under the
authority of Conroy?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Fact of the matter is, it is essentially a public list, that
being said everyone is responsible for what they post.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I personally am a long time reader, short time poster as are a
lot of subscribers, AUSNOG its self is a great informative tool and I believe
should remain public.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>My 2 cents worth.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Cheers, Michael<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net [mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Paul Foote<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 15 April 2010 1:09 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> David Hughes<br>
<b>Cc:</b> ausnog@ausnog.net<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] List charter Vs Reporters on the list<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>I agree with most of what you
have laid out, but I think the whole public shaming thing will actually
increase unnecessary noise on this list, and it that kind of derails the lists
purpose. <br>
<br>
My idea instead: <br>
* have a 2 month or so's delay on the publicly accessible archives, so that way
if somebody is contacted regarding things they said on the list within a month
of doing so (a month in journo/sales time gaurentee's that if they picked it up
from archives it will be a cold story/expired lead).<br>
* Anybody breaking the rules gets reported to a moderator who then discusses
the breach of charter with the sales guy/journo and repeat offenders silently
get removed from the list.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
<br>
Paul.<br>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 10:37 AM, David Hughes <<a
href="mailto:David@hughes.com.au">David@hughes.com.au</a>> wrote:<br>
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All,<br>
<br>
I personally have no issue with our friends in the journalism community being
on this list. I can only dream about a day when we complain that the tech
journalists in this country are too well educated :) The list
charter also has nothing to say on who can join the list or read the
information we distribute over this list. Graham al at CommsDay have been
associated with AusNOG for years and we value their support. They also
participate openly on this list and use any information available here
appropriately. As Graham stated, if 10 people here mention an Optus
outage he may chase the carrier. To my knowledge he and his team don't
chase the individuals on this list.<br>
<br>
The list charter is pretty clearly written. If people on this list
approach people directly as a result of their participation on this list then
they are in breach of the charter. Sales people SHOULD NOT hound list
members unless they specifically ask for sales contact off-list. The same
applies to journalists. If you write an email it's public by definition
but it doesn't give every press hound on the planet a right to ring your office
looking for an exclusive.<br>
<br>
Personally I think this list works quite well. The signal to noise ratio
remains quite high which can always be a problem as the size of a list
increases. Happy to discuss other opinions but I don't see a reason to
change things. What list members could do however is post to the list
when they are hassled directly by sales folk, journo's etc etc. The
"public shaming" may reduce the frequency. It will also let us
see what's going on so that action against individual list members can be taken
if it's appropriate.<br>
<br>
<br>
Thank<br>
<br>
David<br>
...<o:p></o:p></p>
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