<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">It's worth noting a few things about the Amsterdam experience: <div><br></div><div>Their AVERAGE distance per service was 3 metres - 120km for 40k services. It's a fairly small geography they're building into which has a lot of MDUs. Guarantee the distance in Oz is a lot longer.</div><div> </div><div>It'd be nice to have a core or pair per house hold. But not at any expense.</div><div><br></div><div><div><div>MMC<br><div><br><div><div><div>On 25/03/2010, at 3:08 PM, Bryn Loftus wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div>This article (while very mainstream) has some interesting point on PON vs direct fibre- and some costs.<br><br><a href="http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/03/how-amsterdam-was-wired-for-open-access-fiber.ars">http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/03/how-amsterdam-was-wired-for-open-access-fiber.ars</a><br><br>bryn<br><br><br><br><br>On 25/03/2010, at 3:23 PM, lists wrote:<br><br><blockquote type="cite">----- Original Message ----- <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">From: "Dasmo" <dasmo@dasmo.net><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">To: <ausnog@ausnog.net><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Using PON is a bit short sighted.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Why is that?<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">It is power efficient ( less green house emmissions for the true believers)<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">It can deliver 1Gb or more symentrical connections<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">It can do L2 or L3<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">I often see the argument against PON but I rarely if ever see reasons why, I <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">would be interested to see the reasons why<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">If you're going to spend the money to roll out a nationwide network, you <br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">might as well only do it once.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">The cost of point to point would make an already dubious business plan even <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">less affordable.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">The biggest cost is not so much the cable as the duct access. In brownfield <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">deployments that can be very high. $70 per meter is not out of the <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">question. Duct access at $6 to $8 per year can add up to. If you put it <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">on power poles then fine, but expect long delays when trucks trees and wind <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">bring it down as will happen.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">regards<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Tim<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">_______________________________________________<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">AusNOG mailing list<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog<br></blockquote><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>AusNOG mailing list<br>AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net<br>http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog<br></div></blockquote></div><br><div>
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