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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=640170605-04022010><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial>I think the judge is generalising, by saying that it was not
purely via the use of "internet" services provided by iiNet that caused
copyright infringement.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=640170605-04022010><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial>Instead, he is most likely suggesting BitTorrent is the "tool"
being used to assist with the act of copyright infringement.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=640170605-04022010><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=640170605-04022010><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial>But at the end of the day, the "user" is the offending
component in all this.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=640170605-04022010><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=640170605-04022010><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial>Thank goodness the court did not uphold the claim against
iiNet. It could have led to all sorts of stupid claims by industries and
providers who want to make a dollar out of people - the very people who most
likely pay for and take their family/friends to use the service offered in the
first place (ie: Cinema, Foxtel, SkyHome).</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=640170605-04022010><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=640170605-04022010><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial>The movie industry needs to protect their own industry
through their own means - ie: finding ways to protect their product or new ways
to distribute their product, just the same way as other industries have done.
For example - streaming internet radio stations pay a royalty to broadcast music
and copyright content.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=640170605-04022010><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=640170605-04022010><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial>There's no point in litigating against (screwing) the
service provider, because even if they (AFACT) won, what could service providers
do to ensure they would not also be affected by the same claims
</FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=640170605-04022010><FONT color=#0000ff size=2
face=Arial>both now and into the future.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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class=640170605-04022010></SPAN><SPAN class=640170605-04022010></SPAN><SPAN
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class=640170605-04022010></SPAN><SPAN class=640170605-04022010><FONT
color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=640170605-04022010><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial>What was all this over again ??? Oh yeah, entertainment. If
the clever lawyers at AFACT engaged with the internet industry to legally
distribute their content, I'm sure the majority of public internet users would
be open to some form of user pays system.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=640170605-04022010><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=640170605-04022010><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial>Cheers.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<FONT size=2 face=Tahoma><B>From:</B> ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net
[mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Nicholas
Meredith<BR><B>Sent:</B> 2010-02-04 3:58 pm<BR><B>To:</B> Bevan
Slattery<BR><B>Cc:</B> ausnog@ausnog.net<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [AusNOG] iiNet
update<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 8:51 AM, Bevan Slattery <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A
href="mailto:Bevan.Slattery@staff.pipenetworks.com">Bevan.Slattery@staff.pipenetworks.com</A>></SPAN>
wrote:<BR>
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style="BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid; MARGIN: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex"
class=gmail_quote>"copyright occured as result of use of BitTorrent, not the
Internet"<BR>said Justice Cowdroy<BR>
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<DIV
class=h5>_______________________________________________<BR></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>I
couldn't be happier for the sane ruling on this case, but this begs the
question, does this Judge have ANY idea at all what the Internet is? I'm
referring to the context of a home user who sees the World Wide Web as the
'Internet' and E-Mail and everything else as just E-Mail etc. The statement
above shows a lack of comprehension that all services are 'the
Internet.'<BR><BR>Or are they breaking it down into OSI Layer2/3, where the
Internet is defined as IP connectivity, and not the application protocols that
reside above?<BR><BR clear=all>- Nicholas Meredith<BR><BR></BODY></HTML>