<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><br><div><div>On 25/01/2010, at 10:25 PM, Steve Lisson wrote:</div><blockquote type="cite"><o:smarttagtype namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="City"><o:smarttagtype namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="place"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="blue"><div class="Section1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 128); font-family: Arial; font-size: 13px; ">I also think that there is a lot of people
saying that either ISP�s are not doing enough to get ready and
ISP�s are saying that the content providers are not there for them to
enable it, </span></p></div></div></o:smarttagtype></o:smarttagtype></blockquote><div><br></div>I don't think anyone's been talking about content providers for ages.</div><div><br></div><div>They're a <i>fait accomplis:</i> They want to get their stuff into your eyeballs. If you're</div><div>on v6 and they haven't moved to dual-stack, their ability to reach your eyeballs</div><div>will be dependent on whatever crappy CGN box your ISP has installed. They</div><div>won't want that.</div><div><br></div><div>We're really down to CPE support. Get the recalcitrant CPE vendors to do what</div><div>they need to do and we'll be most of the way there. The transition of the actual</div><div>network isn't a big deal.</div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><o:smarttagtype namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="City"><o:smarttagtype namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="place"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="blue"><div class="Section1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 128); font-family: Arial; font-size: 13px; ">while it is occasionally touched briefly I think a lot of it is also
that the applications developers are not their either, probably around a � year
ago I ask one of our game server customers if I provided them with IPv6 could
their run any of the standard games they have on IPv6, their response was that
they don�t know of any games that they run that have IPv6 capabilities.</span></p></div></div></o:smarttagtype></o:smarttagtype></blockquote><br>Then their games will have to run through v4 NAT. They'll either be happy with</div><div>that and do nothing, or be unhappy with it and incorporate v6. Either way</div><div>they're not holding up any transition actions. Again, focusing on them is </div><div>largely irrelevant.</div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><o:smarttagtype namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="City"><o:smarttagtype namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="place"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="blue"><div class="Section1"><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"><o:p>Just my 2c on the issue, I have IPv6 on
our network and available to customers on request so its there and (somewhat)
ready, IPv6 has been a �hobby� of mine for years, started back when
could get a bgp peering session with Occaid, was a very useful learning tool and
played a big part of having the career I now do.</o:p></span></font></p></div></div></o:smarttagtype></o:smarttagtype></blockquote><br></div><div>Are you v6 peering at PIPE?</div><div><br></div><div> - mark</div><br><div>
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