<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><br><div><div>On 25/01/2010, at 10:25 PM, Steve Lisson wrote:</div><blockquote type="cite"><o:smarttagtype namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="City"><o:smarttagtype namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="place"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="blue"><div class="Section1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 128); font-family: Arial; font-size: 13px; ">I also think that there is a lot of people
saying that either ISP’s are not doing enough to get ready and
ISP’s are saying that the content providers are not there for them to
enable it, </span></p></div></div></o:smarttagtype></o:smarttagtype></blockquote><div><br></div>I don't think anyone's been talking about content providers for ages.</div><div><br></div><div>They're a <i>fait accomplis:</i> They want to get their stuff into your eyeballs. If you're</div><div>on v6 and they haven't moved to dual-stack, their ability to reach your eyeballs</div><div>will be dependent on whatever crappy CGN box your ISP has installed. They</div><div>won't want that.</div><div><br></div><div>We're really down to CPE support. Get the recalcitrant CPE vendors to do what</div><div>they need to do and we'll be most of the way there. The transition of the actual</div><div>network isn't a big deal.</div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><o:smarttagtype namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="City"><o:smarttagtype namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="place"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="blue"><div class="Section1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 128); font-family: Arial; font-size: 13px; ">while it is occasionally touched briefly I think a lot of it is also
that the applications developers are not their either, probably around a ½ year
ago I ask one of our game server customers if I provided them with IPv6 could
their run any of the standard games they have on IPv6, their response was that
they don’t know of any games that they run that have IPv6 capabilities.</span></p></div></div></o:smarttagtype></o:smarttagtype></blockquote><br>Then their games will have to run through v4 NAT. They'll either be happy with</div><div>that and do nothing, or be unhappy with it and incorporate v6. Either way</div><div>they're not holding up any transition actions. Again, focusing on them is </div><div>largely irrelevant.</div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><o:smarttagtype namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="City"><o:smarttagtype namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="place"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="blue"><div class="Section1"><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"><o:p>Just my 2c on the issue, I have IPv6 on
our network and available to customers on request so its there and (somewhat)
ready, IPv6 has been a ‘hobby’ of mine for years, started back when
could get a bgp peering session with Occaid, was a very useful learning tool and
played a big part of having the career I now do.</o:p></span></font></p></div></div></o:smarttagtype></o:smarttagtype></blockquote><br></div><div>Are you v6 peering at PIPE?</div><div><br></div><div> - mark</div><br><div>
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