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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Hi,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>As to the cost going up, I can see it as a
basic supply/demand issue, if there is less supply available and the demand
stays the same or increases is it not expected that the price goes up?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Sure there will be some
‘profiteering’ by those ISP’s with address space, but this
will in turn help new players in the market after the last /8’s are
allocated to RIR’s who then get their first and only /22 allocation with
no opportunity to get more (am ignoring black market IP’s for this
example, that’s a whole other subject).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>From what I have seen (e.g. customers
generally not being interested in IPv6 and coming to the conclusion all I can
do there is just have it ready for when they ask and even then 50% of the time
do not end up enabling it) and all the ‘discussions’ (use that term
loosely as quite a bit of the discussion I have seen is one side believe their
way is the right way and not listening to or conceding points to other parties)
I really do not want to make many predictions on what is or isn’t going
to happen (the end of the world is nigh!) and am just going to sit back, be at
least somewhat prepared while waiting and watching what happens. Have found
that expending energy on attempting to get customers to enable and utilise IPv6
has unfortunately been a waste of time, find it might get enabled and even if
it does they then don’t maintain it and end up with something worse than
an end host without IPv6, an end host with broken IPv6.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I also think that there is a lot of people
saying that either ISP’s are not doing enough to get ready and
ISP’s are saying that the content providers are not there for them to
enable it, while it is occasionally touched briefly I think a lot of it is also
that the applications developers are not their either, probably around a ½ year
ago I ask one of our game server customers if I provided them with IPv6 could
their run any of the standard games they have on IPv6, their response was that
they don’t know of any games that they run that have IPv6 capabilities. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Just my 2c on the issue, I have IPv6 on
our network and available to customers on request so its there and (somewhat)
ready, IPv6 has been a ‘hobby’ of mine for years, started back when
could get a bgp peering session with Occaid, was a very useful learning tool and
played a big part of having the career I now do.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Steve<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net [mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Noel Butler<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, 25 January 2010 9:16
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Tom Lanyon<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> ausnog@lists.ausnog.net<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [AusNOG] Less than
10% of IPv4 Addresses Remain Unallocated</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>On Sat, 2010-01-23 at
19:00 +1030, Tom Lanyon wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<pre><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>>It's still just another cost to the ISP. If transit prices increased for an ISP then they would <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>> (most likely) pass that cost on to the end-user; in that case, the
end-user would probably have the option to move to a plan which ? <br>
<br>
Everything is a cost to an ISP, this is broadband everyone gets a
"24/7 on" service, there is no excuse to be charging people extra for
a static IP,s leta lone ipv4,but i know fully well some marketing depts
out there are going " Oh goody goody I see $$$$$$$$$$$$$$" <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<pre><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>That sadly is human nature<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
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<pre><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>If the cost to provide an IPv4 address goes up, surely that should be passed on the same, and the alternate option for the end-user is to move to a plan which doesn't incur that resource cost (ie. one using IPv6 instead).<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Why would they go up? is
this real estate now, where ripping people off is the norm when there i a lack
of supply.. profiting I believe they call it :)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<i><span style='font-style:italic'>Kind Regards,</span></i><br>
<i><span style='font-style:italic'>SSA Noel <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City
w:st="on">Butler</st1:City></st1:place></span></i><br>
</span></font><i><font size=1><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-style:italic'><a
href="http://counter.li.org">L.C.P</a> No. 251002</span></font></i> <o:p></o:p></p>
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