<html><head><base href="x-msg://408/"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><br><div><div>On 22/01/2010, at 3:56 PM, Daniel Hooper wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div class="Section1"><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">I don’t see many larger providers in .AU supporting ipv6 yet, congrats to internode and those that have deployed ipv6 for having the balls to get on with it and get something moving but until we see the iinet’s, telstra’s, aapt’s etc fully jump on board, ipv6 is still pretty much dead in the water IMHO.</span></div></div></div></div></div></span></blockquote><div><br></div>No, it isn't dead in the water. It's going to happen anyway, it's just</div><div>a question of whether the ISPs you've cited are going to be sipping</div><div>coffee on the bridge or below-decks pumping out the bilges as the</div><div>mess unfolds. :-)</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div class="Section1"><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p>It does look to be a good task for our favourite minister for broadboand & communications mr conroy, whether it be in the form of consumer education or legislation that gets it moving I feel the government needs to be sending the message out that it’s time to move on.</o:p></span></div></div></div></div></div></span></blockquote><div><br></div><div>The best thing the Government can do is set their own procurement</div><div>standards.</div><div><br></div><div>They're a very large purchaser of IT equipment and communications</div><div>services. If they say, "Right, this is it, from next year onwards we're</div><div>simply not going to spend any money whatsoever on anything that</div><div>doesn't do IPv6," then the vendors and telcos will very rapidly get</div><div>behind it.</div><div><br></div><div>The Government has made some recent positive moves by bringing</div><div>forward their own migration schedule. Perhaps that should be sending</div><div>some messages to vendors and network operators too.</div><div><br></div><br><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div class="Section1"><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p>Possible consumer education:</o:p></span></div></div></div></div></div></span></blockquote><div><br></div>Misplaced expenditure. This is happening whether or not consumers</div><div>approve, whether or not they think it's a good idea, whether or not</div><div>they're even aware of it. They aren't educated about IPv4 right now,</div><div>and don't need to be, and show no desire to be; so why do we need to</div><div>make them care about IPv6?</div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div class="Section1"><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 20.25pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; text-indent: -18pt; "><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Symbol; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><span>·<span style="font: normal normal normal 7pt/normal 'Times New Roman'; "> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">A flurry of television commercials with a simple 30 second explanation that the internet is running out of numbers, look for the ipv6 enabled sticker on your next purchase.</span></div></div></div></div></div></span></blockquote><div><br></div>Not helpful right now, because hardly anything has IPv6-enabled stickers</div><div>on it.</div><div><br></div><div>One consumer CPE vendor brought out an "IPv6 Ready" ADSL2+ modem</div><div>a few years ago with an official Phase-1 logo approved by the IPv6 Forum.</div><div>The certification essentially means, "This device would be capable of</div><div>running IPv6 if we ever write the software, which we haven't done, and</div><div>probably won't ever do. Suck it up, Princess."</div><div><br></div><div>There is no point trying to educate consumers about what they should</div><div>be buying until we've convinced vendors to get what they should be buying</div><div>onto the market. Said vendors are so deeply unimpressive in this space</div><div>right now, they really should be embarrassed, and if they aren't it's </div><div>probably our job as procurers to embarrass them.</div><div><br></div><div>All of the major vendors trade on their expertise, on their market leadership,</div><div>on being ahead of the pack with useful stuff we need. Yet by not supporting</div><div>IPv6 they're essentially telling all of us (and certainly all of our residential</div><div>customers), "Equipment you buy from us today probably won't be useful</div><div>in 2 years time. Everyone knows what's coming, and we know you're trying</div><div>to prepare for it, and we probably ought to have a complete portfolio of</div><div>solutions ready for you, but sorry, we just can't be there for you. Because</div><div>even though we keep telling you we're the best and brightest in the business,</div><div>we're completely incapable of seeing past the horizon of IPv4 exhaustion,</div><div>and we have nothing worthwhile to say to you right now."</div><div><br></div><div>That should be beyond unacceptable at this stage in the game.</div><div><br></div><div><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div class="Section1"><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 20.25pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; text-indent: -18pt; "><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p>Possible legislation:</o:p></span></div></div></div></div></div></span></blockquote></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;"><br></span></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Andale Mono'" size="1"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 9px; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Helvetica"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;">Given the utterly disastrous way that Governments of all stripes impose</span></font></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Andale Mono'" size="1"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 9px; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Helvetica"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;">regulations on this industry whenever they try, I'd respectfully suggest</span></font></span></font></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;">that calls for legislation fall somewhere on a spectrum between "not</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;">helpful" and "downright rude." Honestly, if you want to kill some aspect of</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;">the Australian Internet, the best way you can do it is to urge an Australian</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;">Government to try to regulate it. Calling for legislation is a hostile act.</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;">The best thing the Government can do is set its own procurement standards.</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;">The best thing we can do is stop debating it and start doing it.</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;"> - mark</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;"><br></span></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Andale Mono'" size="1"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 9px; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Helvetica"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;"><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></span></font>--</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Andale Mono'"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="1"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 9px; ">Mark Newton Email: <a href="mailto:newton@internode.com.au">newton@internode.com.au</a> (W)</span></font></font></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Andale Mono'"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="1"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 9px; ">Network Engineer Email: <a href="mailto:newton@atdot.dotat.org">newton@atdot.dotat.org</a> (H)</span></font></font></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Andale Mono'"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="1"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 9px; ">Internode Pty Ltd Desk: +61-8-82282999</span></font></font></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Andale Mono'"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="1"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 9px; ">"Network Man" - Anagram of "Mark Newton" Mobile: +61-416-202-223</span></font></font></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Andale Mono'"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="1"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 9px; "><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></span></font></font></font></div></div></div></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></div></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></span>
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