<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div>Simple routers (ethernet to ethernet/wifi) are more available to do dual stack than ADSL ones. Let's face it. An ethernet to ethernet router is easier to build and doesn't require the kind of certification a DSL one does.</div><div><br></div><div>eg. latest Apple Airport (I mean the VERY latest) have PPP dual stack built in. We've got someone who's produced dualstack code for the WRT54G equivalents.</div><div><br></div><div>It's also likely that some or all of the NBN access will be IP rather than PPP (ISP dependent) so that'll be easier. </div><div><br></div><div>MMC</div><br><div><div>On 22/01/2010, at 9:21 AM, Curtis Bayne wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">
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<!-- Converted from text/plain format --><p><font size="2">If only there were some new, national network being built that negates the need for current CPE so we could co-incide the release of ethernet-based CPE that supports IPv6 from the get-go.<br>
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Oh, wait...<br>
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Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Less than 10% of IPv4 Addresses Remain Unallocated<br>
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On Thu, 2010-01-21 at 12:28 +1100, James Spenceley wrote:<br>
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> > Yep, and I still stand by at _LEAST_ 2015 before we seriously get close to looking like running out of ipv4, maybe longer than that.<br>
> > There's around 400 million IP's stilll up for grabs.<br>
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> and how many phones/computer will connect to the Indian and Chinese Internet in the next year ?<br>
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How many connected last year...<br>
4 x /8's issued to APNIC<br>
4 x /8's issued to RIPE<br>
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I'm well aware that the majority of vocal people on this list are<br>
supporters of ipv6, I just have an investigative mind, in other words,<br>
I do think some here are hyping things up for their own agenda, just<br>
like those did back in 90's.<br>
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I mean, talking about ripping off end users more money because they use<br>
ipv4 like Skeeve brought up, pleaaseeeee, , you try to force everyone<br>
onto ipv6, then there's going to plenty of spare ipv4 in APNIC's pool<br>
isn't there, so no problem for the ISP's that wont rip them off :)<br>
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So apart from the noise makers on this list beating their chest about<br>
it, is anyone actually in serious talks with CPE vendors, how about<br>
retailers? find some cluey retailers and get them to push vendors as<br>
well, after all, that's where this needs to start.<br>
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As someone else mentioned, the vast majority of end users don't care,<br>
they will not sit down and google it, they will not read white papers or<br>
RFC's about it, they have no desire to learn squat about it, all they<br>
want is for the Internet to work, existing customers and in next few<br>
years or so should easily be serviced by ipv4, it's the newbie from<br>
nearing then, the ones who go out and buy brand new CPE because its<br>
their first, or their existing one got blow to hell in a storm that<br>
needs to be targeted towards ipv6 capable CPE.<br>
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Cheers<br>
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