<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">They don't seem to care, that's the thing, they're just paying lip service to all the lobbyists, who think this is a good idea.<div><br></div><div><div><br></div><div><div><div>On 04/01/2010, at 1:46 PM, Matt Shadbolt wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">The most frustrating part of all this mess is the government plainly not listening to the people who know what they're talking about. <br><br>Surely one of Mr.Conroys minions has sat him down and shown him how easy it is to circumvent? Surely one has sat him down and shown him how hard it is for average users to find RC content? <br>
<br>The government haven't addressed any of the public's privacy or transparency concerns, let alone the simple fact their solution just won't work. <br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 4:36 PM, Brad Gould <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bradley@internode.com.au">bradley@internode.com.au</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Who stumbles on Child Porn, bomb making or euthanasia instructions or<br>
anything potentially "RC" anyway?<br>
<br>
The only people that find it are the ones looking for it, who are the<br>
same people that will google "filter circumvention" if they cant find<br>
what they are looking for..<br>
<br>
Those people certainly arent going to report it when they find it. So<br>
it wont make it on the blacklist in any event.<br>
<br>
What "concerned parents" will still find is that they will visit some<br>
dodgey website following a url in some email spam, and get a zillion<br>
pop-ups advertising porn. Oh noes! Or type in <a href="http://ten.com/" target="_blank">ten.com</a> instead of <a href="http://ten.com.au/" target="_blank">ten.com.au</a><br>
<br>
Those popups/websites will be the continued subject of complaints, then<br>
"something must be done" and the next round of filtering policy can<br>
begin. Made easier of course with the infrastructure thats installed as<br>
mandated by the current round of (proposed) filtering.<br>
<br>
This isnt policy. Calling it evidence based or led policy doesnt<br>
magically make it so. Its pandering, of the worst sort, to the<br>
religious right.<br>
<br>
Brad<br>
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Skeeve Stevens wrote:<br>
> I don’t really get the entire filtering argument or why it is mandated<br>
> at all.<br>
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> If I was the government, I would basically offer $$$ (or a tax break, or<br>
> something) to ISPs who chose to join a filtering programme or offered<br>
> products based on some sort of filtering standard.<br>
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><br>
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> The whole mandatory filtering of all ISP’s is kind of bizarre and<br>
> extreme really and completely pointless.<br>
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> If users are really screaming for this, surely they would just go and<br>
> connect to an ISP who is offering the filtering solution.<br>
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> If there were really a massive demand for this, wouldn’t someone have<br>
> developed their own product by now and selling tons of it?<br>
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> Or.. is this just the government not trusting people to be adults and<br>
> responsible – and assuming that there are paedophiles everywhere.<br>
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> ...Skeeve<br>
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> --<br>
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> Skeeve Stevens, CEO/Technical Director<br>
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> *From:* <a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a><br>
> [mailto:<a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>] *On Behalf Of *Shane Short<br>
> *Sent:* Monday, 4 January 2010 3:50 PM<br>
> *To:* Matthew Moyle-Croft<br>
> *Cc:* <a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a>; Pinkerton, Eric<br>
> *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] Conroy announcement on filtering<br>
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> I wouldn't mind so much if they either a) mandated ISPs had to 'offer'<br>
> some kind of filtering, or b) offered some kind of hosted solution.<br>
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><br>
> OR find some CPE manufacturer that'll ship them 'clean modems', with the<br>
> filtering built in. (does this exist yet)<br>
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> -Shane<br>
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> On 04/01/2010, at 12:35 PM, Matthew Moyle-Croft wrote:<br>
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> On 04/01/2010, at 2:34 PM, Pinkerton, Eric wrote:<br>
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> Preventing incoming DNS requests from outside your network could<br>
> make sence, but stopping your internal users querying any external<br>
> dns servers seems obtuse, perhaps I am missing something?<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> ...<br>
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> I was under the impression that the solution proposed combined a DNS<br>
> and proxy. The DNS blocks or diverts banned domain requests to say<br>
> an ad for counciling or whatever without impediment to other<br>
> traffic, but requests for a page on a domain(or server) that also<br>
> carries banned pages are diverted through a proxy server with a<br>
> blacklist.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Take for example Google or OpenDNS's resolver service. If customers<br>
> can query those then how are they going to be directed to a proxy?<br>
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><br>
> Ditto for a VPN, things like Tor etc. Wet tissue paper has a higher<br>
> security rating - especially if people are going to be avoiding it by<br>
> accident! Hilarious.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> This isn't about protecting kids or stopping people looking at illegal<br>
> content. This is about the government saving face and giving a sop to<br>
> the religious right.<br>
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><br>
><br>
> If the government wanted to do something useful they'd fund more child<br>
> protection officers and police to hunt pedophiles etc.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> MMC<br>
><br>
> --<br>
> Matthew Moyle-Croft<br>
><br>
> Peering Manager and Team Lead - Commercial and DSLAMs<br>
><br>
> Internode /Agile<br>
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