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color:#1F497D'>AECIX<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Aus East Coast Internet Exchange<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'>Given that it’s unlikely to see many WA based providers on it
with the cost of backhaul.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'>-Dan<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net
[mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Matthew
Moyle-Croft<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 17 December 2009 10:18 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Sean K. Finn<br>
<b>Cc:</b> ausnog@ausnog.net<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Carrier Independent Peering Exchange<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>APE = Auckland Peering Exchange.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On 17/12/2009, at 12:46 PM, Sean K. Finn wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>APE.<br>
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Australian Peering Exchange.<br>
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Or APEx.<br>
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Australian Peering EXchange.<br>
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From: <a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>
[mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Mark Smith<br>
Sent: Thursday, 17 December 2009 12:07 PM<br>
To: Steve Baxter<br>
Cc: <a href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net">ausnog@ausnog.net</a><br>
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Carrier Independent Peering Exchange<br>
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On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 00:17:30 +1000<br>
"Steve Baxter" <<a href="mailto:steve@thebaxters.com">steve@thebaxters.com</a>>
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256k frame<o:p></o:p></p>
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>From what I understand, they collapsed because of disagreements between<br>
members.<br>
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A trusted third party who has a commercial motivation to keep everybody<br>
happy would seem to be a better model. I suspect it's been done quite<br>
successfully before. I suggest not calling it Public Internet<br>
Peering Exchange though.<br>
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If the ISPs around Australia do want to try to go down this path again,<br>
I'd suggest setting up something like a separate commercial entity that<br>
has it's own financial/commercial agenda and management etc. that the<br>
ISPs have shareholdings in and maintain an arms-length relationship<br>
with. <br>
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A commercial structure may not be the best one for this, others such<br>
as a trust structure might be an alternative. I think the key thing to<br>
ensure with the possible structure is that there is an overriding tie<br>
breaker if disputes between shareholding ISPs arise, with "whats best<br>
for the profitability of the peering company" being an example of one.<br>
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