<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">APE = Auckland Peering Exchange.<div><br></div><div>MMC</div><div><br><div><div>On 17/12/2009, at 12:46 PM, Sean K. Finn wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div>APE.<br><br>Australian Peering Exchange.<br><br>Or APEx.<br><br>Australian Peering EXchange.<br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: <a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a> [mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Mark Smith<br>Sent: Thursday, 17 December 2009 12:07 PM<br>To: Steve Baxter<br>Cc: <a href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net">ausnog@ausnog.net</a><br>Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Carrier Independent Peering Exchange<br><br>On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 00:17:30 +1000<br>"Steve Baxter" <<a href="mailto:steve@thebaxters.com">steve@thebaxters.com</a>> wrote:<br><br><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">AWIX - Australian Wide Internet Exchange<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Sure - you could hook it up with the modern equivilent of 256k frame<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">relay!<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">I do not apologise if I sound cynical but having been down this road<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">many times before I really suggest that all who look at it consider the<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">history of what has been before else you may be doomed to repeat<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">failures.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><br>From what I understand, they collapsed because of disagreements between<br>members.<br><br>A trusted third party who has a commercial motivation to keep everybody<br>happy would seem to be a better model. I suspect it's been done quite<br>successfully before. I suggest not calling it Public Internet<br>Peering Exchange though.<br><br>If the ISPs around Australia do want to try to go down this path again,<br>I'd suggest setting up something like a separate commercial entity that<br>has it's own financial/commercial agenda and management etc. that the<br>ISPs have shareholdings in and maintain an arms-length relationship<br>with. <br><br>A commercial structure may not be the best one for this, others such<br>as a trust structure might be an alternative. I think the key thing to<br>ensure with the possible structure is that there is an overriding tie<br>breaker if disputes between shareholding ISPs arise, with "whats best<br>for the profitability of the peering company" being an example of one.<br><br><blockquote type="cite">SB<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Your Thoughts?<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">--<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">This message was scanned by ESVA and is believed to be clean.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">_______________________________________________<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">AusNOG mailing list<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><a href="mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net">AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog">http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog</a><br></blockquote>_______________________________________________<br>AusNOG mailing list<br><a href="mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net">AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net</a><br>http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog<br>_______________________________________________<br>AusNOG mailing list<br>AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net<br>http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog<br></div></blockquote></div><br><div>
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