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<P><FONT SIZE=2>This is a concept which I have been considering in depth for about two years now.<BR>
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It's gone as far as a planning stage, but we pulled back in the belief that, as a commercial organization, we do not add any value over current commercial operations - put quite simply, it's a "nice to have" but as an commercial venture it is doomed to failure (this is a testament to the quality of PIPE's product).<BR>
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I am both willing and able to participate, whether it be financially or through the provision of space (co-location or otherwise) to make a venture such as this a reality.<BR>
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Anyone in Brisbane who is *serious* about making this happen can contact me either on or off list - I am happy to provide resources, strategic direction or moral support (whatever is most needed) and I don't doubt there are others like me willing to support this kind of operation.<BR>
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Curtis<BR>
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-----Original Message-----<BR>
From: ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net on behalf of Adrian Chadd<BR>
Sent: Wed 12/16/2009 4:11 PM<BR>
To: Daragh Mc Grath<BR>
Cc: ausnog@ausnog.net<BR>
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Carrier Independent Peering Exchange<BR>
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On Wed, Dec 16, 2009, Daragh Mc Grath wrote:<BR>
> I'm glad to see this discussion has been kicked off here, it's something<BR>
> I've thought about on and off over the past few years.<BR>
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> Having worked for a major European exchange in the past (LINX) I've been<BR>
> disappointed by the approach to peering here in Australia since I moved<BR>
> around 2 years ago. Not having the big telco's present at exchange points is<BR>
> the obvious cause, and given their willingness to participate at other<BR>
> exchange points around the world but not at home, this is disappointing.<BR>
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There's reasons for this.<BR>
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> I believe that unless you have the major players engaged, an alternative<BR>
> exchange is not going to happen (or may do, but won't be as successful as it<BR>
> should!). The best way of trying to encourage that is for an exchange to be<BR>
> setup as outlined by MMC, mutually owned and most importantly, operate as a<BR>
> not for profit. To quote LINX, existing for the good of the internet.<BR>
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> I will be following this thread with interest.<BR>
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The large telcos don't peer publicly because they want to sell transit.<BR>
Larger ISPs that started peering when they were smaller ISPs are waking<BR>
up to this.<BR>
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ISPs in the European/American markets have woken up to this. You can't<BR>
necessarily get peering with everyone these days. The telco's may be<BR>
at an IX but they won't peer with you at it. The reason the large<BR>
telco's were historically at the AU IXes is because of the MLPA mandate.<BR>
It does not at all mean they do not peer.<BR>
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Adrian<BR>
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