<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; border-collapse: collapse; ">Skeeve,<div> you should let Family First know how you feel about this <a href="http://www.familyfirst.org.au/ContactUs.htm" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(28, 81, 168); ">http://www.familyfirst.org.au/ContactUs.htm</a></div>
<div><br></div><div>I think anyone identifying as Christian in faith & opposing Content filtering should let FF know the extent of their folly.</div><div><br></div><div>Jay</div></span><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 11:44 PM, Skeeve Stevens <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:Skeeve@eintellego.net">Skeeve@eintellego.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Doubtful.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">People don’t want to be told what they can watch/see –
it is the interests groups that push these agendas. The big push on the
filtering has been from the Family First Party – some fringe Christian fundamentalist
crazies who think they speak for all Christians – which as I am one, they
don’t – which has been voiced by many other Christians I have
discussed this with. Senator Steve Fielding is the fundamentalist pushing the
Family First agenda. Problem is, the government has needed FF to get some
other things through and this is one of the paybacks for FF.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">If it did go to a vote – we’d be able to get our
position out and most families would say no to a national censorship model –
but the problem is that the 1% fundamentalists have 99% of the influence as
when it comes down to it... most people don’t care enough to stand up and
say ‘what? We don’t need this garbage and are quite capable to
choosing what we or our kids see on the internet’.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">I still am astounded that the free filtering apps weren’t considered
good enough. If you want to filter – great.. either use software or
go to a family friendly ISP or buy a family friendly service from a major ISP.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Any ISP’s – especially once which serve a lot of
businesses – shouldn’t have their business interrupted by worrying
about what is essentially a consumer/end user problem.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt"> <a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Michael RISBY<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 15 December 2009 5:55 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a></span></p><div class="im"><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Conroy announcement on filtering</div><p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">If it were to come down to a vote, I’d believe it would
get the ‘nod’ anyway.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">The number of ‘Average Families’ with little or no
background computer knowledge would probably support it as they believe it
would help protect their family.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Then again, it may swing our way. It’s a fairly big
gamble.</span></p>
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[mailto:<a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Mark Newton<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 15 December 2009 5:42 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Paul Foote<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">On 15/12/2009, at 4:48 PM, Paul Foote
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">i'm not really clued up on govt laws, but
shouldn't things like this be pushed to a referendum, or is it not big enough?</span></p>
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