<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; border-collapse: collapse; ">Skeeve,<div>��you should let Family First know how you feel about this�<a href="http://www.familyfirst.org.au/ContactUs.htm" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(28, 81, 168); ">http://www.familyfirst.org.au/ContactUs.htm</a></div>
<div><br></div><div>I think anyone�identifying�as Christian in faith & opposing Content filtering should let FF know the extent of their folly.</div><div><br></div><div>Jay</div></span><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 11:44 PM, Skeeve Stevens <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:Skeeve@eintellego.net">Skeeve@eintellego.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Doubtful.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">People don�t want to be told what they can watch/see �
it is the interests groups that push these agendas.� The big push on the
filtering has been from the Family First Party � some fringe Christian fundamentalist
crazies who think they speak for all Christians � which as I am one, they
don�t � which has been voiced by many other Christians I have
discussed this with. Senator Steve Fielding is the fundamentalist pushing the
Family First agenda.� Problem is, the government has needed FF to get some
other things through and this is one of the paybacks for FF.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">If it did go to a vote � we�d be able to get our
position out and most families would say no to a national censorship model �
but the problem is that the 1% fundamentalists have 99% of the influence as
when it comes down to it... most people don�t care enough to stand up and
say �what? We don�t need this garbage and are quite capable to
choosing what we or our kids see on the internet�.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">I still am astounded that the free filtering apps weren�t considered
good enough.� If you want to filter � great.. either use software or
go to a family friendly ISP or buy a family friendly service from a major ISP.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Any ISP�s � especially once which serve a lot of
businesses � shouldn�t have their business interrupted by worrying
about what is essentially a consumer/end user problem.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#002060">Skeeve Stevens, CEO/Technical Director</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt"> <a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Michael RISBY<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 15 December 2009 5:55 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a></span></p><div class="im"><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Conroy announcement on filtering</div><p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">If it were to come down to a vote, I�d believe it would
get the �nod� anyway.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">The number of �Average Families� with little or no
background computer knowledge would probably support it as they believe it
would help protect their family.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Then again, it may swing our way. It�s a fairly big
gamble.</span></p>
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[mailto:<a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Mark Newton<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 15 December 2009 5:42 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Paul Foote<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Conroy announcement on filtering</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">i'm not really clued up on govt laws, but
shouldn't things like this be pushed to a referendum, or is it not big enough?</span></p>
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