Ahh, bikeshedding. Especially deciding what colour to paint it.<br><br>A past time anyone can engage in.<br><br>A<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 11:11 AM, Marcus Emanuel <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:marcus@slicktech.com.au">marcus@slicktech.com.au</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Since you are looking for a quality name for your ‘back of
an envelope’ L2 Peering Concept try this:</span></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">B</span></b><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">roadband <b>U</b>biquitous <b>L</b>ocal<b> L</b>inked <b>S</b>ervices
<b>H</b>ub & <b>I</b>nternet <b>T</b>ransit<b></b></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Yep, our network has never been better since we connected to
BULL....</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">;-)</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Marcus</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-US"> <a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Sean K. Finn<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 16 December 2009 8:01 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Craig Meyers'; '<a href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog@ausnog.net</a>'<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Carrier Independent Peering Exchange</div></div></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">What about what the product really did best?</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Carriers, Racks And Peering.. ?</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I Jest! I Jest!</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">-Sean.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-US"> <a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Craig Meyers<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 16 December 2009 5:48 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog@ausnog.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Carrier Independent Peering Exchange</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy;">How about:</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy;">Wideband Extensible Ethernet Telco Backbone Internet eXchange</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Wingdings; color: navy;">J</span><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy;"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy;">-- Craig Meyers</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-US"> <a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Cameron Murray<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 16 December 2009 5:24 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Mark Caetano<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog@ausnog.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Carrier Independent Peering Exchange</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">AWIX - Australian Wide Internet Exchange</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 5:19 PM, Mark Caetano <<a href="mailto:mark@akami.info" target="_blank">mark@akami.info</a>> wrote:</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">AUIX sounds fitting.</p>
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On 16/12/2009, at 5:56 PM, Steve Baxter wrote:<br>
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> NISP<br>
> AUIX<br>
> AusBone<br>
> SIX<br>
> BIX<br>
> VIX<br>
><br>
> What will you call it ?<br>
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> Cheers,<br>
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> SB<br>
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>> From: <a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a><br>
>> [mailto:<a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>]
On Behalf Of Curtis Bayne<br>
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 10:30 PM<br>
>> To: Adrian Chadd; Daragh Mc Grath<br>
>> Cc: <a href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog@ausnog.net</a><br>
>> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Carrier Independent Peering Exchange<br>
>><br>
>> This is a concept which I have been considering in depth for<br>
>> about two years now.<br>
>><br>
>> It's gone as far as a planning stage, but we pulled back in<br>
>> the belief that, as a commercial organization, we do not add<br>
>> any value over current commercial operations - put quite<br>
>> simply, it's a "nice to have" but as an commercial venture
it<br>
>> is doomed to failure (this is a testament to the quality of<br>
>> PIPE's product).<br>
>><br>
>> I am both willing and able to participate, whether it be<br>
>> financially or through the provision of space (co-location or<br>
>> otherwise) to make a venture such as this a reality.<br>
>><br>
>> Anyone in Brisbane who is *serious* about making this happen<br>
>> can contact me either on or off list - I am happy to provide<br>
>> resources, strategic direction or moral support (whatever is<br>
>> most needed) and I don't doubt there are others like me<br>
>> willing to support this kind of operation.<br>
>><br>
>> Curtis<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> -----Original Message-----<br>
>> From: <a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>
on behalf of Adrian Chadd<br>
>> Sent: Wed 12/16/2009 4:11 PM<br>
>> To: Daragh Mc Grath<br>
>> Cc: <a href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog@ausnog.net</a><br>
>> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Carrier Independent Peering Exchange<br>
>><br>
>> On Wed, Dec 16, 2009, Daragh Mc Grath wrote:<br>
>>> I'm glad to see this discussion has been kicked off here, it's<br>
>>> something I've thought about on and off over the past few years.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Having worked for a major European exchange in the past (LINX)
I've<br>
>>> been disappointed by the approach to peering here in<br>
>> Australia since I<br>
>>> moved around 2 years ago. Not having the big telco's present at<br>
>>> exchange points is the obvious cause, and given their<br>
>> willingness to<br>
>>> participate at other exchange points around the world but<br>
>> not at home, this is disappointing.<br>
>><br>
>> There's reasons for this.<br>
>><br>
>>> I believe that unless you have the major players engaged, an<br>
>>> alternative exchange is not going to happen (or may do, but<br>
>> won't be<br>
>>> as successful as it should!). The best way of trying to<br>
>> encourage that<br>
>>> is for an exchange to be setup as outlined by MMC, mutually<br>
>> owned and<br>
>>> most importantly, operate as a not for profit. To quote<br>
>> LINX, existing for the good of the internet.<br>
>>><br>
>>> I will be following this thread with interest.<br>
>><br>
>> The large telcos don't peer publicly because they want to<br>
>> sell transit.<br>
>> Larger ISPs that started peering when they were smaller ISPs<br>
>> are waking up to this.<br>
>><br>
>> ISPs in the European/American markets have woken up to this.<br>
>> You can't necessarily get peering with everyone these days.<br>
>> The telco's may be at an IX but they won't peer with you at<br>
>> it. The reason the large telco's were historically at the AU<br>
>> IXes is because of the MLPA mandate.<br>
>> It does not at all mean they do not peer.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Adrian<br>
>><br>
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