<html><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>Actually Conroy is doing a great job of telling the truth very carefully and getting his audience to fill in the gaps. </div><div><br></div><div>He is saying:</div><div><br></div><div>The 10% end up with copper loops and WiMax/LTE/satellite but no fibre. </div><div><br></div><div>And,</div><div><br></div><div>The 90% end up with fibre and no copper in the end game.</div><div><br></div><div>That's entirely consistent. </div><div><br></div><div>Further options include: NBNCo could end up with the USO and any retailer could provide the service. Or Telstra could keep it's copper and remain responsible. There are lots of endgames. <br><br>Cheers,<div><br></div><div>jsl</div></div><div><br>On 21/10/2009, at 10:58 PM, Ben Grubb <<a href="mailto:ben@techwiredau.com">ben@techwiredau.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>Some good points raised. I've bolded the point I am confused about.<div><br></div><div>Another:</div><div><br></div><div><b><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-weight: bold; ">September 15 </span></div><div><br></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-weight: normal; ">TONY JONES: But in short - just to cut you short there - just to finish or see if I can get an actual answer to the question: in the end, what you don't want to see is two separate networks.</span><br><br><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-weight: normal; ">STEPHEN CONROY: Well we've said we want to build a wholesale-only, open access network, and I think if you look at what's transpired over the last 15 to 20 years, the competing infrastructure model has failed to deliver competition. And what we're looking to do is introduce a wholesale-only company. We welcome Telstra, Optus, any of the other potential vendors to be part of our network. <b>And if that turns out to be a partnership with Telstra, it would see, as we lay the copper - the fibre into the homes, we'd be taking the copper out. And we - the NBN Co. would become the sole connection from the curb to the home. So, yes, that is one of the options that may come from the discussions that are taking place at the moment.</b></span></div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2008/s2687024.htm"><a href="http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2008/s2687024.htm">http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2008/s2687024.htm</a></a></div></b><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p><b>Today:</b></p><p>Journalist: Senator, who's going to take responsibility for providing phone services to 10 per cent of households who don't get access to the fibre optic cables?</p><p>Let's be clear. It's unfortunate that Senator Minchin is struggling to understand the difference between a broadband service and a phone line. <b>No one has suggested that the copper lines in the 10 per cent are suddenly going to vanish or that they're going to be cut off or that they're going to be pulled out, which is exactly what Nick Minchin's suggesting.</b></p><p>There's nothing in this legislation whatsoever that suggests that, except we are strengthening the universal service obligation. So the universal service obligation is what pays, via a levy today paid to Telstra to provide that service. And nothing is changing. And for Nick Minchin to not understand the difference between delivering a broadband network over wireless and satellite and a copper-based phone service is just embarrassing.</p></div><div><div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div><div>-- <br>Ben Grubb</div></div></span></div></div></div><div>
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<br><div><div>On 21/10/2009, at 11:17 PM, Bevan Slattery wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">
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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="855130812-21102009"><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff">I have to completely agree. There are many holes in the
legislation and logic. I think with the appropriate
time/consulting/feedback this could be very worthwhile. But there are some
extraordinary inconsistencies with the legislation, public comment by
politicians and industry types. In a doorstop interview today Sen Conroy
said:</font></span></div>
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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="855130812-21102009"><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff">"<font face="Arial"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Let's be clear. It's unfortunate
that Senator Minchin is struggling to understand the difference between a
broadband service and a phone line. No-one has suggested that the copper lines
in the 10 per cent are suddenly going to vanish or that they're going to be cut
off or that they're going to be pulled out, which is exactly what Nick Minchin's
suggesting."</span></font></font></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="855130812-21102009"><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></span></font></font></span> </div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="855130812-21102009"><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I am confused. So when Telstra
are forced to split under the current legislation and handover it's network to
NBN Co (or whoever) who is actually responsible for maintaining those exchanges
and it's associated copper. I thought Telstra were not going to operate a
fixed line service under the separation model?</span></font></font></span></div>
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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="855130812-21102009"><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Anyone? Foreman from the
CCC?</span></font></font></span></div>
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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><b>From:</b> Grahame Lynch
[mailto:grahamelynch@commsdaymail.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 21 October
2009 9:58 PM<br><b>To:</b> Bevan Slattery<br><b>Cc:</b>
<a href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net"><a href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net">ausnog@ausnog.net</a></a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] CCC and Terria "rage against
coalition"<br></font><br></div>
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<div>I'm intrigued by this idea that you can one hand legislate to compel
Telstra to divest any ownership ties to a fixed network and become a
pure retailer but on the other hand - in the same bill - you can legislate even
greater requirements than today for Telstra to be responsible for fixed network
delivery in the bush via the USO.</div>
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<div>Seems to me like a fairly irreconcilable twin set of obligations to me. The
government line is that it will all be figured out down the track which I guess
is fair enough - if you're also prepared to relax the apparently
urgent deadline for the legislation itself and the requirement for Telstra to
commit to the terms of its separation before it knows the terms of its
obligations in terms of USO and so forth.</div>
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<div>Somebody in the Department has made a mess of this one.<br><br></div>
<div class="gmail_quote">2009/10/21 Bevan Slattery <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:Bevan.Slattery@staff.pipenetworks.com"><a href="mailto:Bevan.Slattery@staff.pipenetworks.com">Bevan.Slattery@staff.pipenetworks.com</a></a>></span><br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid"><a href="http://www.arnnet.com.au/article/323020/rage_against_coalition_industry_" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.arnnet.com.au/article/323020/rage_against_coalition_industry_">http://www.arnnet.com.au/article/323020/rage_against_coalition_industry_</a></a><br>lashes_opposition_fights_against_telstra_separation<br><br>Bit
over the top?? I'd like to see the legislation look at solving
the<br>real/future problems such as reduce the negotiate/arbitrate process
for<br>regulated (rather than only declared as proposed in the
legislation)<br>bottleneck infrastructure such as duct access (NBN) and towers
(4G/LTE)<br>rather than mainly focus on the copper world.<br><br>I'm trying to
think why the violent reaction from CCC and TERRIA? Is it<br>no longer
'cool' to ask
questions?<br><br>[b]<br>_______________________________________________<br>AusNOG
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