<html><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>It's lecture and question mode.</div><div><br></div><div>Nutshell from Quigley:</div><div><br></div><div>FTTP</div><div>or next best thing (radio, satellite)</div><div>Ethernet</div><div>L2 with security, qos, multicast</div><div>GPON<span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); "></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); ">RF modulated on wavelength for TV and PayTV</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); ">POTS ports via ATA using SIP over another vlan</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.226562); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.226562);"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); ">Dark fibre as an option.</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.226562); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.226562);"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.289062); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.222656); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.222656);">Point to point biz services provided. </span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.226562); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.226562);"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); ">Layer 3 provided by NBN Co, not likely. </span></div><div><br></div><div>Trade press has been discussing batteries today. Quigley would love to avoid them. <br><br></div><div>Go get involved with the CA working group. If you or your employer is a member you can contribute directly. Anyone can get read access. I think the eventual CA model will be the model adopted for residential grade Internet. </div><div><br>Cheers,<div><br></div><div>jsl</div></div><div><br>On 17/09/2009, at 10:16 AM, Paul Grehan <<a href="mailto:pgrehan@onthenet.com.au">pgrehan@onthenet.com.au</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
<font face="Arial">Brisbane has been and gone (Tuesday the
15th)....we'll await Industry connection 4 I guess.....<br>
<br>
Sydney and Melbourne are full also.<br>
<br>
-P<br>
</font><br>
John Lindsay wrote:
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<pre wrap="">I'm at the CommsAlliance briefing and meeting with NBN Co in
Melbourne. The network reference diagram on the screen envisages
various forms of access at every layer.
There is another of these sessions in Brisbane.
CA members are welcome to participate in the working group putting the
model together. Others are welcome to watch and comment.
Get involved or it will be done to you.
Cheers,
jsl
On 17/09/2009, at 9:52 AM, "McDonald Richards" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:macca@vocus.com.au"><<a href="mailto:macca@vocus.com.au">macca@vocus.com.au</a>></a>
wrote:
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<pre wrap="">Steering away from the voice discussion slightly - I am actually
interested
in knowing if they have considered selling multicast "channels" much
in the
way they license existing spectrum to broadcasters and if they'll
provide
CIR channels for that traffic ;)
Macca
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Jason Sinclair wrote:
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<pre wrap="">Interestingly Quigley mentioned that whilst the NBNCo would only be
offering a layer 2 Ethernet style service, he then stated that they
would need to have layer 3 capability to offer QoS, security and
multicast (potentially if they could figure it out).
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<pre wrap="">Apart from a Layer2 ethernet VLAN-style service, TR-144 includes a
'Layer 3' option similar to the L2TP model, and there is debate about
whether NBNCo should incorporate something like this within the
service
mix it provides directly, or whether this is a contestable form of
connectivity that wholesale customers of NBNCo should do instead and
leave NBNCo doing layer-2 only. There are some pros - may make it easy
for current Telstra Wholesale ISPs to migrate, but also some cons, and
AFAIK more of the arguments to and fro are about commercial
opportunity
rather than technical capability.
This particular aspect is something I'd like to see more debate on in
here - it certainly isn't fixed in stone yet, so we as the directly
affected parties should work out what we would like NBNCo to do, and
what we would like them to keep their paws right out of.
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<pre wrap="">Also - mentioned that they would provide a POTs port hiked back via
SIP
to a softswitch.....
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<pre wrap="">Well, this would depend a little on the choice of vendors - some ONTs
have built-in PSTN ports and some form of connectivity (possibly
SIP/H.323, possibly some sort of derived TDM channel) back to the OLT,
some provide multiple ethernet ports and would need an external
ATA-style device to provide a PSTN service.
I expect there will be an argument from government that a built-in
PSTN
port is mandatory, to provide emergency call capability if nothing
else.
It will also depend a lot on input from industry (ie us people) on how
we want to see those PSTN ports presented as a wholesale service
interface - and whether we even want that provided as a service
interface or not, and prefer to supply own ATAs and devices instead of
using a built-in capability.
For example, I can't see too many wholesale-customers-of-NBNco
AusNOGers
getting excited about a V5.2 interface for aggregated telephony on the
back of each OLT.
Paul.
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