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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Customers can be multi-homed without a direct APNIC allocation by going to the right ISP. If an ISP is carrier neutral, there is nothing
stopping them from multi-homing themselves across multiple carriers and then passing this on via diverse paths to their customers. They would have /22 or larger allocation but could pass this on to the client as /24s. This is our business model (although
only for people who are in our data centre) and I dare say that we are not unique.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">From:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma"> ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net
[mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net] <b><span style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of
</span></b>Skeeve Stevens<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Friday, 7 August 2009 1:29 AM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> Policy SIG; ausnog@ausnog.net; nznog<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> [AusNOG] What is more important? - ipv4 vs. routing table size</span></font><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="#002060" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#002060">Hey all,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="#002060" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="#002060" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#002060">I’d like to stimulate some discussion regarding IPv4 conservation vs. The size of the routing table.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="#002060" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="#002060" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#002060">I’d like to hear what people think is more important – and why – which it is more important – or a miz?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="#002060" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="#002060" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="#002060" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#002060">IPv4 conservation – possibly allocating smaller default allocations – or making it easier (/24, /23)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="#002060" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="#002060" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#002060">vs.
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="#002060" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="#002060" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#002060">The size or the routing table. If by a more conservative allocation above was done, and the world table jumped to 400, 500 thousands or more routes
– what implications would this have on routers and so on.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="#002060" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="#002060" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#002060">APNIC’s minimum is a /22 (was a /19 in 2000) (4 * /24’s)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="#002060" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#002060">ARIN is a /20 to ISPs (16 * /24’s)<br>
RIPE is a /21 (8 * /24’s)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="#002060" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#002060">LANIC is a /21 (I think)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="#002060" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#002060">AFRINIC is a /22 (4 * /24’s)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="#002060" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="#002060" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#002060">There are smaller hosting companies out there (here in ANZ at least) that want to be on, hosting, multi-homed, but only need a /24 or /23, but they’re
given the minimum allocation on a /22 – whether they need it or not.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="#002060" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="#002060" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#002060">Thoughts?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="#002060" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="#002060" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="#002060" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#002060">--<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="#002060" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#002060">Skeeve Stevens, CEO/Technical Director<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="#002060" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#002060">eintellego Pty Ltd - The Networking Specialists<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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