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<A title=noel.butler@ausics.net href="mailto:noel.butler@ausics.net">Noel
Butler</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=Bevan.Slattery@staff.pipenetworks.com
href="mailto:Bevan.Slattery@staff.pipenetworks.com">Bevan Slattery</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=ausnog@ausnog.net
href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net">ausnog@ausnog.net</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, April 14, 2009 7:44
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [AusNOG] Aust Govt will
build National Broadband Network,no company will be awarded the tender.</DIV>
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<DIV>Bevan I think you crossed the line when you implied MMC should quit
simply because he disagrees with what his employer supports, </DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><FONT color=#0000ff>I am not sure that is what
Beven meant. Bevan referred to MMC simply dismissing a list of reasons
why NBN should not be blindly followed and MMC dismissed the argument and
answered it with a silly reply instead of addressing the issue. As an
employer he is well with in his right to suggest that if staff are openly
disagreeing with their employers view / interests then they should probably
leave that employer and put their money where their mouth is and
demonstrate how their point of view would work or join an employer that has a
similar point of view. In the end if this NBN mk2 gets
up some employees may end up out of a job. And at the end of the
day this NBN propasal has the ability to wipe out many companies, unless there
is a business plan and the industry is consulted. Something DBCDE is not
good at.</FONT> </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>if thats your attitude, I guess we should let it be a warning for anyone
who considers working for pipe networks.</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><FONT color=#0000ff>Every employer should have
the right to expect some loyalty from their staff.</FONT> <FONT
color=#0000ff>Staff are certainly entitled to their point of view, however
sometimes they shoud get thier employers point of view and at least consider
the ramifications. ie they may not have a job in some
situations. </FONT></FONT><BR><BR>Newsflash and its about time every F'n
exec on this list took reminder of, your employees are NOT you, they are NOT
an extension of your brain nor your line of thoughts, they are NOT </DIV>
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<DIV>as narrow visioned as you are, </DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Give me a break. Those
employers and execs have a far wider view of the business than any
employee. If all the bits including the business case do not stack up
the employee does not have a job. Then employees complain because they
are out of a job. Look at pacific brands. Due to regulation by
government and the fact that tarrifs were about to fall the management had to
make a decision. Unfortunately it affected staff. No employer
likes to sack staff. It was not a good look all round. That may well
happen in this industry as well. Then there is the superanuation of 90%
of Australians that possibly will be affected by this decision etc etc. A lot
of super funds have Telstra and other stock in this sector etc etc.
It is much bigger than a press release</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>they are (in most cases) human and DO have a mind of their own, they are
entitled to NOT agree with what their employer sees as a worthwhile plan to
support/plan of action,</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>The issue as I saw it was around
the fact that MMC chose not to debate the issues, however you are absolutely
correct, people are human and they are entitled to their own views, however
they should at least consult their employers to at least get some idea of both
sides of a story. A press release from the government is not
enough detail to start jumping behind a project. As beven eluded to we
need to know the hows and the whys ie a business plan, but as it currently
stands it looks very much like a get even with Telstra and stuff the
collateral damage that may cause to the rest of the market including MMC's
employer</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV> and, before the pedantics bring it up, MMC made no direct
references to his employer and not agreeing with their support of something,
that was you Bevan, so I see nothing wrong with MMC's comments they way they
were worded.</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>That is fair enough and you should
also respect Bevans</FONT><BR><BR>This is a public list and most likely no-one
here speaks in any official capacity on behalf of their employer and to
suggest someone resign because they disagree, is rather pathetic.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I don't think that is what bevan
was saying. He was as an employer and someone that has substantial
investments on the line which in turn employ people saying if you think you
know best, resign and go and show us all how to do it. There is a
distinction. But I could have misinterpreted both Bevans and your point of
view and if I have please accept my apologies.</FONT></DIV><FONT face=Arial
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face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>It would be good to see debate focus on how a
business case could be put together, rather than snipping at what some
say. Personally I can't see how a business case can be put together to
build from scratch. I still remember the commindicos and one tels and
others. Great ides, but in the end they didn't work. For mine,
show me a business plan and I will be converted. A press release does
not cut it for me.</FONT>
<DIV><BR><BR>Regards<BR> <BR>Tim</DIV>
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